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Posted on 8/21/25 at 6:13 pm to Lake08
What woukd Jesus say about this? Serious question.
Posted on 8/21/25 at 6:17 pm to Lake08
Expedited death penalty is the only thing that could be a deterrent in the criminal dome.
Posted on 8/21/25 at 6:23 pm to Lake08
Not about easy. Why should they get to live? It would frustrate me more to know they get to live and are provided for. Koehberger (sp) was afraid of the DP, so they gave him a deal to avoid it. That’s interesting he was so scared of it he didn’t want what you consider the easy way out. I would want him to have to go through what they ultimately did and I also don’t see why he should get to exist after such an act.
Posted on 8/21/25 at 6:27 pm to chRxis
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life without parole... the death penalty is actually MORE expensive
This is constantly said, but I believe it has to do with legal fees associated with appeals? I think you can have a DP much less expensive than housing and feeding someone for 50 years or so.
Posted on 8/21/25 at 6:45 pm to Lake08
I have actually thought about this before. My reaction would be "kill that bastard".
But then.. Isn't that the easy way out? I would want them to be in death row because each one is put in a 6x6 cell and they get one hour a day.. alone for exercise. The only communication they have with people are with guards and the the other death row inmates who they don't see.
And it might depend on the prison, but they deal with the weather elements more. Its cold during the winters and hot during the summers, I THINK they only get second hand AC and heating. If they get any. I think they can read, but that has to be a pretty bad existence.
But then.. Isn't that the easy way out? I would want them to be in death row because each one is put in a 6x6 cell and they get one hour a day.. alone for exercise. The only communication they have with people are with guards and the the other death row inmates who they don't see.
And it might depend on the prison, but they deal with the weather elements more. Its cold during the winters and hot during the summers, I THINK they only get second hand AC and heating. If they get any. I think they can read, but that has to be a pretty bad existence.
Posted on 8/21/25 at 6:47 pm to beauchristopher
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I think you can have a DP much less expensive
of course you can... just rip up the Constitution, and get rid of due process... pretty simple...
quote:
I believe it has to do with legal fees associated with appeals
and pretrial motions, jury selections, expert witnesses, longer trials...
there are many other reasons in addition just "appeals"
Posted on 8/21/25 at 6:51 pm to Lake08
For all its faults regarding confession coercion, the Japanese prison system averages 7 years on death row and they only tell the inmate about an hour and a half before they are dead.
I would prefer this method.
I would prefer this method.
Posted on 8/21/25 at 7:16 pm to Bjorn Cyborg
quote:First, I don't view life in prison as a worse punishment. Second, someone serving life in prison can be freed if evidence later proves them innocent while an executed person can't be brought back to life. Yes, I am fine with some convicted capital murderers (and others who present an ongoing threat to society) serving life in prison without the possibility of parole.
There are people in here advocating that Life in Prison is worse, are you OK with that?
quote:Yes, but we can stop making those irreversible mistakes if we want to.
Unfortunately, it is a fact that the wrong person is convicted at times. This has been true for all of humanity.
quote:This is a false choice. Fifty-six percent of all nations (110) have abolished the death penalty and many of them are far more "civilized" than the US in terms of crime rates, violent crime rates, homicide rates, prison population per capita, etc.
If you want to live in a civilized society, there are trade offs.
Posted on 8/21/25 at 7:21 pm to Lake08
Life costs everyone a lot less. They're going to die in there anyway. Why speed it up? Death is a release.
Posted on 8/21/25 at 7:23 pm to Lake08
Ive always felt death is relif vs life in prison. Especially if its solitary. I'd want them to suffer with their choice ..the afterlife will be there when they finally go
Posted on 8/21/25 at 7:29 pm to nealnan8
quote:We already know the answer:
What woukd Jesus say about this? Serious question.
"Blessed are the merciful, for they will be shown mercy,": Matthew 5:7
"Go and learn what this means: 'I desire mercy, not sacrifice'," Matthew 9:13, quoting Hosea 6:6
"Be merciful, just as your Father is merciful,": Luke 6:36.
He'd also probably say that his personal experience of being wrongfully executed as an innocent person was horrible, and then tell us not to do to others what is hateful to ourselves. He might finish by asking us to allow people with terrible sins like murder on their souls to have as much time as possible to get right with God before they die, rather than sending them directly to a final judgment for which they are woefully unprepared.
This post was edited on 8/21/25 at 7:31 pm
Posted on 8/21/25 at 7:42 pm to Chuck Barris
I’m pretty sure I’d rather they be given the death penalty with a ten year window but forced to be in the general population hoping he’s brutally raped and killed within five years for his horrific crime.
Posted on 8/21/25 at 8:16 pm to Chuck Barris
Thanks for this.
Posted on 8/21/25 at 8:31 pm to Lake08
Death should be a lot more harsh than a needle or gas chamber. Lynching, public stoning , being thrown to hungry alligators or angry pit bulls would be more appropriate . There needs to be fear and dread that leads up to it and it would probably detour a lot of it in the future. I think if they get life they have a rough time in prison. Look at Dahmer and Koeburger and that's the cases we know about. Imagine being stuck in a large fenced in place where bully's , not quite as bad as you , wanted to torture you or, you were all alone all the time in a cell except for an hour a day a guard walked you.
Posted on 8/21/25 at 8:37 pm to nealnan8
quote:No problem.
Thanks for this.
Posted on 8/21/25 at 9:48 pm to jizzle6609
It is hard enough to get a death sentence that is ever fully carried out; the length of the typical life sentence is a joke.
The problem becomes that you start with the old "life without parole" bit; then an authority for sentence commutation kicks that down to just a 'life sentence' in ten years, then a prison advisory board or parole board examines the relative space in their facility and their guess at recidivism probability, and can spring people back out on the street.
I'd much rather opt for death. At least it adds a full layer of difficulty to them ever seeing the outside of a prison ever again.
The problem becomes that you start with the old "life without parole" bit; then an authority for sentence commutation kicks that down to just a 'life sentence' in ten years, then a prison advisory board or parole board examines the relative space in their facility and their guess at recidivism probability, and can spring people back out on the street.
I'd much rather opt for death. At least it adds a full layer of difficulty to them ever seeing the outside of a prison ever again.
Posted on 8/21/25 at 10:18 pm to Bjorn Cyborg
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Define innocent.
Because everyone of those "Innocence Project" cases where they free someone from Death Row, they dude was a criminal and deserved the death penalty, but was an accomplice or committed some other heinous crime.
It's not like they are picking up innocent dudes off the street.
I thought for sure this was El Gaucho posting
Posted on 8/21/25 at 10:25 pm to NYNolaguy1
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I have far too little faith in any govt organization to get it right 100% of the time, and I am not a big fan of killing innocent people. Besides capital cases particularly in the south often have political motives as the local DA runs for reelection. There's been too many cases of Brady violations decades after they happen that come to light, and reluctant DA's that don't want to drop charges or change course when they are wrong.
This is my view as well.
Our system doesn't work well enough to utilize the DP iMO.
Posted on 8/21/25 at 10:33 pm to Lake08
Death penalty
An eye for an eye
An eye for an eye
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