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re: Dallas Police Shooting of 15 year old: Update: OFFICER FIRED
Posted on 5/2/17 at 6:10 pm to magildachunks
Posted on 5/2/17 at 6:10 pm to magildachunks
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That's actually pretty racist
welcome to the world of the absurd racism of modern liberalism
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Posted on 5/2/17 at 6:14 pm to SlowFlowPro
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welcome to the world of the absurd racism of modern liberalism
It was a joke.
Posted on 5/2/17 at 6:14 pm to SlowFlowPro
It's wrong but we have $1.1 mil cops in the USA, when we pay them $35k starting out I don't understand why people are blown away that we have a couple of these unfortunate instances every year.
Posted on 5/2/17 at 6:15 pm to SlowFlowPro
Which I always found to be pathetic. The snottiness.
The board also says the same things about lower class black people as it does for the Obamas and John Lewis' of the world.
Point being,if you don't respect or understand the dialect or culture, it's gonna be really hard to understand ot respect the people that participate in the culture.
The board also says the same things about lower class black people as it does for the Obamas and John Lewis' of the world.
Point being,if you don't respect or understand the dialect or culture, it's gonna be really hard to understand ot respect the people that participate in the culture.
Posted on 5/2/17 at 6:17 pm to baldona
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It's wrong but we have $1.1 mil cops in the USA, when we pay them $35k starting out I don't understand why people are blown away that we have a couple of these unfortunate instances every year.
So you are saying "it's, wrong, but understandable "?
Posted on 5/2/17 at 6:18 pm to StrongSafety
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Point being,if you don't respect or understand the dialect or culture, it's gonna be really hard to understand ot respect the people that participate in the culture.
yeah well gladly this doesn't apply to me
Posted on 5/2/17 at 6:19 pm to Bmath
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Why were the cops rolling up packing rifles to an underage drinking call? Was it related to a report of shots fired in the area?
That's the real problem. All these cops literally needed to do is show up and the party is over. Maybe get some kids, "detain" them to scare the others, call their parents up and issue them a warning or MIP.
How this ever ended in a death is so irresponsible and so tragic
This post was edited on 5/2/17 at 6:22 pm
Posted on 5/2/17 at 6:21 pm to StrongSafety
well we could have had a great national discussion about the militarization of police but BLM had to hijack it and make it 100% about race and attacking due process
Posted on 5/2/17 at 6:30 pm to SlowFlowPro
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charge them and prosecute them with full due process
I heard the Dallas County DA speak today. She didn't reference directly, but did indicate she would prosecute a cop vigorously if she felt a case involving a cop had merit.
Posted on 5/2/17 at 6:31 pm to SlowFlowPro
Well can we be honest and recognize that some folks have had a bit more difficulty with this issue, over the course of history? I don't see how or why that is so hard to admit.
Black folks attack due process because of all the cases were a black person has been gunned down by the police and there was no due process. Should we really expect them to just suddenly believe that the justice system treats them fairly? I feel like that is a little intellectually dishonest. I can't fault them for being sick and tired of it.
and we have these national discussions, hard too offend are black and brown folks left out of the discussion. We're suddenly sympathic to dope fiends now, but come 20-30 years ago we were jailing them for dime bags. How cognitively impaired do we want them so that they don't see these glaring hypocrisy?
I just think national discussions have to start with the populations the events effect the most. If you can make your way up from the most marginalized segments of society, it would be better for all at the end of the day. Setting the bar at exceptional does nothing but compromise the constitution and our ideals.
Black folks attack due process because of all the cases were a black person has been gunned down by the police and there was no due process. Should we really expect them to just suddenly believe that the justice system treats them fairly? I feel like that is a little intellectually dishonest. I can't fault them for being sick and tired of it.
and we have these national discussions, hard too offend are black and brown folks left out of the discussion. We're suddenly sympathic to dope fiends now, but come 20-30 years ago we were jailing them for dime bags. How cognitively impaired do we want them so that they don't see these glaring hypocrisy?
I just think national discussions have to start with the populations the events effect the most. If you can make your way up from the most marginalized segments of society, it would be better for all at the end of the day. Setting the bar at exceptional does nothing but compromise the constitution and our ideals.
Posted on 5/2/17 at 6:37 pm to StrongSafety
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Well can we be honest and recognize that some folks have had a bit more difficulty with this issue, over the course of history? I don't see how or why that is so hard to admit.
sure but it's not the REAL issue, which is the militarization of LEO. well, to be more specific, it's the WOD, but the major byproduct causing issues is the MOP
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Black folks attack due process because of all the cases were a black person has been gunned down by the police and there was no due process.
but there is an avenue to rectify this...multiple, actually. civil suits, federal prosecutions, and state prosecutions
also, if there is one demographic that should be leery of any loss of DP, it's black people (who suffer DP issues as defendants all the time. imagine a system where they had fewer protections. in what interpretation of reality is it logical to want fewer protections for YBMs?)
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We're suddenly sympathic to dope fiends now, but come 20-30 years ago we were jailing them for dime bags.
again this is illogical. why do we want to stop progressing in how we see drug addicts? do you want to go back to the way we handled them 20-30 years ago? do you really think that will be better for YBMs? c'mon
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I just think national discussions have to start with the populations the events effect the most.
i think your very post shows why this is kind of a fool's errand
they are too biased to have a rational discussion with rational, reasonable policy goals
what kind of real solutions do you anticipate with that biased of a group? now don't get me wrong, i'm not saying their bias is unfounded, but it exists. that's like asking why we shouldn't let LEO lead the policy discussion (they have similar levels of bias, but on the other pole). neither group has anything constructive to add to a rational discussion b/c of their extreme biases
Posted on 5/2/17 at 6:58 pm to baldona
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It's wrong but we have $1.1 mil cops in the USA, when we pay them $35k starting out I don't understand why people are blown away that we have a couple of these unfortunate instances every year.
How many of these metros/cities have also lowered their standards for entry into their police departments to either "diversify" or to bolster their numbers because they're having a hard time finding halfway decent applicants? People want to talk about those who are victim of the system that perpetuates a cycle of crime but why aren't we also having a conversation about the system that has also created trigger-happy police officers?
The cops and unjustified violence issue has so many moving parts its sad. We have a portion of society that has grown to calling for violence against cops in retaliation for the behavior of a small percentage of cops. We have a portion of police who got in on lower standards who couldn't cut it in another job and don't give a shite about being a decent cop so they're just there for a paycheck and that's dangerous as hell. And we have police forces and a government that'd rather hand a guy a tank then to continue to fund things like gang task forces or community outreach.
It's all just incredibly sad.
Posted on 5/2/17 at 6:59 pm to SlowFlowPro
Right. It always devolved into an emotional anecdotal b.s. victimization, which by the way is either promulgated by the white guilt limousine liberals or at least is trumpeted and given voice by the east coast elitist media. And blacks just fall in line.
Posted on 5/2/17 at 7:02 pm to No Colors
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Cop is absolutely fricked. As he should be.
Yup. POS.
Posted on 5/2/17 at 7:04 pm to StrongSafety
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Well can we be honest and recognize that some folks have had a bit more difficulty with this issue, over the course of history? I don't see how or why that is so hard to admit.
There are a lot of good people who are intellectually lazy with regard to this matter.
We are all prejudiced (I hate that "prejudice" and "racist" have become synonymous). The telescreen allows these prejudices to be exploited more than ever.
It's just more convenient for people to blame the victim in the greyest and most complicated scenarios and say to themselves "somehow I manage to stay out of these situations."
Posted on 5/2/17 at 7:50 pm to Sao
quote:And, as the post you replied to stated, who on this board agreed with it? Pretty sure that was almost unanimously against the ruling on here.
The affluenza ruling was insane.
Posted on 5/2/17 at 8:14 pm to StrongSafety
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Black folks attack due process because of all the cases were a black person has been gunned down by the police and there was no due process. Should we really expect them to just suddenly believe that the justice system treats them fairly? I feel like that is a little intellectually dishonest. I can't fault them for being sick and tired of it.
The complete lack of impartiality and rationality amongst a great deal of the black community regarding the FACTS of major cases such as Trayvon Martin, Mike Brown, Alton Sterling, O.J. Simpson, etc. seems to illustrate a great deal more "intellectual dishonesty" than the vague generalizations you have made.
Btw, all of the above listed cases underwent due process, so let's not pretend that that is the primary issue here. The outcome of that due process is the issue.
Posted on 5/2/17 at 8:19 pm to No Colors
This is how it should work. Incident occurs and investigation ensues.
Dallas has some serious issues with their police force right now. I can only imagine what they have left and what they will be hiring
Dallas has some serious issues with their police force right now. I can only imagine what they have left and what they will be hiring
Posted on 5/2/17 at 8:23 pm to SlowFlowPro
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charge them
Only one cop shot into the car. We don't know how many, if any, lied to protect him.
The family's attorney says none of the 5 boys in the car were drinking...at all. It does not help him long term to lie about this and have to crawfish later.
There were three dash cams in the LEO's cars. Every LEO there had a body cam. As soon as this came out the Chief changed the "backing up aggressively" story and stopped protecting the shooter.
The Chief hotfooted it to the family's home early the next morning to apologize and empathize. This was telling of things to come.
Posted on 5/2/17 at 8:45 pm to magildachunks
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That's actually pretty racist.
No it isn't. It might be the product of prejudice, which I acknowledged in my post.
Prejudice of course, is not racism.
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