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re: Could an athletic kid run a 10k with zero training?

Posted on 3/19/19 at 10:55 am to
Posted by UpToPar
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Posted on 3/19/19 at 10:55 am to
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Distance running requires endurance and pacing, which tends to come from a lot of practice and training.




Humans are made for distance running. Make sure he has a decent pair of running shoes and he'll be fine.
Posted by Gaston
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Posted on 3/19/19 at 10:59 am to
I said that because I reasearched the times.

He’s never been interested in distance running, but he’s definitely going to be on the track team.
Posted by BruslyTiger
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Posted on 3/19/19 at 11:08 am to
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It’s a Disney 10k, so I’m not sure how competitive they are.
This should be a mix of competitive and non. Find a pacer to keep them at a 9:00 or greater pace and tell them to STOP at the water stations and drink then start again. Probably not going to win his age group and don't want them to be discouraged in the future.
Posted by Ingeniero
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Posted on 3/19/19 at 11:15 am to
Yeah what Brusly said. Pacing yourself off of a winner's time when you've never run before isn't something you should do. Advise him to start slow , tell him he can stop and walk when he needs to. He's almost for sure going to start too fast and then hate the last 4 miles.
Posted by Tigris
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Posted on 3/19/19 at 11:15 am to
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I just said pace off a winning time, IDK how this works.


Telling someone who has never run to pace off of the winning time is crazy as hell and setting up completely unrealistic expectations for your son.

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48+ won the last one, top 25 did it under an hour.


That's REALLY slow for a 10K. I did Great River Road Run in 42 minutes one year and was well behind the leaders. A few thousand people did it in less than an hour.

Your son should go out slow with a goal of simply running as much as possible. If he does it in less than an hour that would be very impressive. Don't even bring up the idea of competing, that isn't going to happen.
Posted by Pectus
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Posted on 3/19/19 at 11:15 am to
Run, or jog?
Posted by Gaston
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Posted on 3/19/19 at 11:27 am to
I don’t expect him to win, i never said I did. I was simply researching times from WDW races and the 10-13 age bracket.
Posted by Dr RC
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Posted on 3/19/19 at 11:27 am to
If he is just doing it for fun sure. If he wants to be competitive probably not. Distance running is a mental game. You need to pace yourself so you don't fall apart after the first half. Since it's his first 10k make sure he knows that he shouldn't try to keep pace with anyone going faster than a mild jog. It's also ok to walk if he feels the needs and as has been said in this thread absolutely use the water stations.

Also, you should probably get him an armband for an iPod or whatever he plays music off of. Having music can really help with the monotony of it all.
This post was edited on 3/19/19 at 11:33 am
Posted by loopback
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Posted on 3/19/19 at 11:27 am to
For sure, my son ran one at 9yrs and placed. His first one ever, with no practice. It was a local one and they didn't have a ton of runners in the 14 and under age group. Poor thing, he didn't drink anything along the way because the cups they handed out had coca-cola on the side and he thought it was cups of coke.
Posted by Tigeralum2008
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Posted on 3/19/19 at 11:29 am to
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I’d think so, but I’ve never run one. For those who run is this a terrible idea? It’s a Disney 10k, so I’m not sure how competitive they are.



The Disney 10k sucks major arse. Most of the run takes place in the parking lots. My wife and sister ran it last year.
Posted by QJenk
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Posted on 3/19/19 at 11:37 am to
It depends on his mental strength, honestly. Running is one of those activities that is extremely mental. I once ran a 5k after not working out at all the previous 5 or 6 months. It wasnt easy, but I got through without ever stopping

But during high school, while I was in great shape from football. I used to detest when I ran track and our coach had us running 2 or 3 miles. I would frequently walk because I mainly wanted to sprint, not distance run.
Posted by Gaston
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Posted on 3/19/19 at 11:40 am to
Music is a good idea.
Posted by keakar
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Posted on 3/19/19 at 11:40 am to
thats only 5 miles so yes of course unless they are a fatty

just need to set a steady pace rather then try to run flat out the whole time
Posted by mikelbr
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Posted on 3/19/19 at 11:43 am to
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I’d think so, but I’ve never run one. For those who run is this a terrible idea? It’s a Disney 10k, so I’m not sure how competitive they are.

Yep. If he's got a watch or GPS tell him to run the first mile in 10 min then cut down from there by 1 min or so till he's about 8min mile.

He shouldn't have any problems unless he goes out way too fast like under 7min/mile. He'll go anaerobic with no endurance training and won't be able to recover without walking.

Tldr hammer it in his head to start very slow!
Posted by Tangineck
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Posted on 3/19/19 at 11:45 am to
Should finish easily if he doesn't try to kill it. Come out too strong and even someone in shape from competitive sports will taper off pretty severely after the first 3 miles. Knowing what pace you can sustain past about 20 minutes doesn't come intuitively because there is no stoppage of play in running, even for 5-10 seconds like they are used to. You can't recover in running once you're burned out, and its impossible to know your race pace without practice.
Posted by Bill Parker?
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Posted on 3/19/19 at 11:49 am to
Should be able to finish no problem. Probably won't be able to run the entire race, but might can jog.

My son and one of his friends entered a 5k when they were 12. They were able to finish just under 20 minutes. Didn't think they'd run it that fast.

FWIW, was in a discussion with a college soccer coach this weekend who said long distance running is the worst thing a soccer player can do.
Posted by Gaston
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Posted on 3/19/19 at 11:52 am to
So if the winner runs it in 48 minutes, how fast is their first mile? 48/6.2, or slower? Do runners pace to get faster, or do they try to keep that same exact time per mile?
Posted by Gaston
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Posted on 3/19/19 at 11:59 am to
Your son going to play college soccer?
Posted by Tangineck
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Posted on 3/19/19 at 12:04 pm to
First couple miles will almost certainly be faster due to race day nerves/excitement in kids. 10k is still a relatively short race, so as long as you can keep the splits within about 15 seconds you are probably good.
Posted by BurtReynoldsMustache
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Posted on 3/19/19 at 12:08 pm to
Ideally, the most efficient way would be to run at the same pace (aerobic threshold pace) for most of the race and then give what you have left toward the end. (v02 max or better)

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