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re: Could an athletic kid run a 10k with zero training?
Posted on 3/19/19 at 12:13 pm to Gaston
Posted on 3/19/19 at 12:13 pm to Gaston
For a 48:00 10K the first mile would likely be 7:30 or so with beginning race adrenaline and everything factored in.
I when I raced 10k on the track I always tried to sit back the first couple miles and then let loose the last 5k. Although that still turned into the first half being faster because of the pacing of everyone else, but I had more left in the tank because I wasnt going as fast as everyone else. When I ran my PR I came through something like 15:55 the first 5k and then 16:25 the second but I blew by a ton of people the second half becuase people were blowing out at 15:20 the first 5k that had no business running that fast.
With a road race this is gonna be ten times worse. Just have him try and pace it evenly and have fun with it. I see a bunch of people bringing up your kid being a soccer player. If this is true he should be able to get through it with minimal stopping.
I when I raced 10k on the track I always tried to sit back the first couple miles and then let loose the last 5k. Although that still turned into the first half being faster because of the pacing of everyone else, but I had more left in the tank because I wasnt going as fast as everyone else. When I ran my PR I came through something like 15:55 the first 5k and then 16:25 the second but I blew by a ton of people the second half becuase people were blowing out at 15:20 the first 5k that had no business running that fast.
With a road race this is gonna be ten times worse. Just have him try and pace it evenly and have fun with it. I see a bunch of people bringing up your kid being a soccer player. If this is true he should be able to get through it with minimal stopping.
This post was edited on 3/19/19 at 12:15 pm
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Posted on 3/19/19 at 12:14 pm to BurtReynoldsMustache
Gaston's done it now. The entire running thread crew is taking over this thread now 
Posted on 3/19/19 at 1:10 pm to Gaston
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I’d think so, but I’ve never run one. For those who run is this a terrible idea? It’s a Disney 10k, so I’m not sure how competitive they are.
I ran them as young as 8 or 9 but I trained. It's not a horrible idea. Worst case he walks back half. I would let him run a few times in some manner where he can get some idea of a pace that is reasonable. I would think maybe 9min/mile for a kid with zero training for a 10k
Posted on 3/19/19 at 1:14 pm to Pedro
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For a 48:00 10K the first mile would likely be 7:30 or so with beginning race adrenaline and everything factored in.
at 11y/o in the CCC I went out at a 5:20 the first mile. I started with A group and was right behind the Kenyans so I was jacked. When I saw the clock I knew I had fricked up but hung on for 37:14 on pure adrenaline
Posted on 3/19/19 at 1:18 pm to Ingeniero
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Gaston's done it now. The entire running thread crew is taking over this thread now
This will be followed on the outdoor board asking for advice on how to build a trophy case for an Olympic gold medal in track.
Posted on 3/19/19 at 1:20 pm to deNYEd
You trained for distance at 8 years old? Had a lot of stuff to think about or something?
Posted on 3/19/19 at 1:23 pm to Gaston
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You trained for distance at 8 years old? Had a lot of stuff to think about or something?
I ran USAT&F at 8yrs old. I traveled the nation running meets. I was Lousiana games/regional/ and national record holder in multiple events as a kid. Started to young and grew to despise it.
The 37:14 10k for 11 and under may still be a record. At the time I received notification in the mail from USAT&F that it was the fastest time in recorded history for an 11 yr old on a certified course.
This post was edited on 3/19/19 at 1:25 pm
Posted on 3/19/19 at 3:02 pm to Gaston
The kid who won the 11-13 division at the 2017 Disney Light Side 10k had a net time of 44:24. His dad in the 35-39 division had a net time of 48:43 and finished 51st.
I'm around Sr.'s pace and I think I'd both be proud and envious if my progeny could beat me on the same course with the same conditions and still in my 30's.
Damn, the kid who won last year's Dark Side 10k 11-13 division was 12 and finished with a time of 39:03. That's a 6:17 pace!
I'm around Sr.'s pace and I think I'd both be proud and envious if my progeny could beat me on the same course with the same conditions and still in my 30's.
Damn, the kid who won last year's Dark Side 10k 11-13 division was 12 and finished with a time of 39:03. That's a 6:17 pace!
Posted on 3/19/19 at 3:13 pm to McVick
Jeebus, I was looking a 2018 WDW 10k and the times weren’t close to those. Is the Dark Side race similar to the Star Wars Rival Run that my son’s doing?
There’d have to be a helluva prize to run over 6 miles in less than 40 minutes. I guess it’s over quicker. That’s faster than anyone in the 14-17 age group in the results I see.
There’d have to be a helluva prize to run over 6 miles in less than 40 minutes. I guess it’s over quicker. That’s faster than anyone in the 14-17 age group in the results I see.
Posted on 3/19/19 at 3:18 pm to Gaston
Zero training hell no, but with minimal training then maybe. I run a good bit and could easily do 6+ miles back in the fall. Life got busy for a bit so I stopped running for 3 months. I just started back a month ago and could barely make it a mile without feeling like death. Today I can run 4 miles and possibly more if I wanted.
I've been on maybe 12 runs since starting back so I would say you could be at a 10K from around 15 runs if you aren't out of shape which would be minimal training.
I've been on maybe 12 runs since starting back so I would say you could be at a 10K from around 15 runs if you aren't out of shape which would be minimal training.
Posted on 3/19/19 at 3:19 pm to LCA131
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Don't be an idiot! This is Gaston's boy, he is in travel soccer.
Posted on 3/19/19 at 3:24 pm to Gaston
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Jeebus, I was looking a 2018 WDW 10k and the times weren’t close to those. Is the Dark Side race similar to the Star Wars Rival Run that my son’s doing?
It looks like the Dark Side race was in mid April last year, so it could be the same race with a new name. The 2017 10-13 winner finished in 40:30, so it looks like it can be a fast course. Kid who won in 2018 with the sub-40 time clocked a 43:02 the year before.
If your son is fast and wants to compete, he's probably gotta be up at the very front to start. Almost 11k people ran last year's race, and unless he wants to start the first couple tenths dodging people he may need to muscle his way up to the front to start.
Posted on 3/19/19 at 3:26 pm to jchamil
It’s club soccer, but the OT loves the phrase travel ball so I use it.
Posted on 3/19/19 at 3:27 pm to McVick
I think you need qualifying race times to be up in the pack, right? Not good for someone who’s never raced.
Posted on 3/19/19 at 3:35 pm to Gaston
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I just hope his running style doesn’t give him shin splints or something fricked up over that distance.
This/\ Before I got into jogging many years ago I only ran sprints and would run those on my toes. Running distance is a totally different approach and you use the whole foot starting at the heel and pushing off on the toes.
I got into distance running with a friend of mine and I can remember the first run I made with him at age 22 going 3 miles running like I did for sprints. My shins hurt like hell and I knew I had to change my stride, and did. Eventually got up to 10 miles at a 6 minute per mile pace.
Posted on 3/19/19 at 3:46 pm to Gaston
According to the Race Policies page for the Rival Run Weekend, proof of time is not required for the 5k and 10k races. Looks like only the half marathon.
Race Policies
You can also kinda get a sense of who is where by looking at the runner's gun time vs their net time. Subtract the net from the gun and that's about how far away they were from the starting line. If the difference in gun and net time is higher, then they probably had to dodge more people at the start.
Note- this is not 100% accurate advice.
Race Policies
You can also kinda get a sense of who is where by looking at the runner's gun time vs their net time. Subtract the net from the gun and that's about how far away they were from the starting line. If the difference in gun and net time is higher, then they probably had to dodge more people at the start.
Note- this is not 100% accurate advice.
This post was edited on 3/19/19 at 3:50 pm
Posted on 3/20/19 at 10:25 am to Gaston
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Your son going to play college soccer?
My kids are both in middle school. No clue.
This was a discussion that happened to come up with a college coach...just passing it along as it relates to your kid.
Posted on 3/20/19 at 10:31 am to Gaston
They can do it easy.
I met dozens of kids signed up for the Disney half Marathon that never ran at all and just did it. (That is 13.1 miles.)
Any kid, who is not morbidly obese, can run 10k and have fun doing it.
The Disney course is very flat as well.
I met dozens of kids signed up for the Disney half Marathon that never ran at all and just did it. (That is 13.1 miles.)
Any kid, who is not morbidly obese, can run 10k and have fun doing it.
The Disney course is very flat as well.
Posted on 3/20/19 at 10:32 am to Bill Parker?
Cross Country is a popular sport at the school my son is going to go to, but he says he’s not interested. He’d rather lap races, maybe hurdles. The school is very successful in soccer, so that coaching staff will drive most of his decisions.
Is it just wear and tear, or is it running style that makes it bad for soccer players to run distance?
Talked with my son this morning about going for a run after school. He says he’ll try to develop an easy running form for the upcoming 10k. He’s pretty confident it’s sonething he can easily fight through. Says sometimes it just feels like his legs are moving him with no effort on his part...I just gave him a grin, like no way you little shite.
Is it just wear and tear, or is it running style that makes it bad for soccer players to run distance?
Talked with my son this morning about going for a run after school. He says he’ll try to develop an easy running form for the upcoming 10k. He’s pretty confident it’s sonething he can easily fight through. Says sometimes it just feels like his legs are moving him with no effort on his part...I just gave him a grin, like no way you little shite.
This post was edited on 3/20/19 at 10:35 am
Posted on 3/20/19 at 11:03 am to Gaston
I'm a 40 year old fat arse and I can finish a 10K. Not running, but I can finish it. So yeah, i'd think an athletic kid could do it easily.
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