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re: Could a modern supercar complete a 500 mile Nascar oval race?
Posted on 12/10/18 at 12:34 pm to Dam Guide
Posted on 12/10/18 at 12:34 pm to Dam Guide
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Autobahn has a lot of traffic on it, you aren't going WoT for very long there anymore.
This was in response to the idiot(OP) that made a comment about driving on the interstate at 75.
There are still parts of the autobahn to run flat out for solid periods of time and european supercars have been designed to be able to do that for decades.
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Have you seen the ring? You aren't doing WoT there either, it's quite twisty.
Yes, but it is still considered a fast track more than a technical track and you are flat out a large portion of the time.
If you don't think that a 720S couldn't drive 500 miles on an oval at daytona at ~200 mph with the A/C on and your favorite tunes blasting, stop and put street tires back on and run a 9 sec 1/4 mile on your way home with nothing more than a car wash and an oil change needed then you don't know what modern supercars are made of.
Check out the underside of a GT2 RS. It is a race car body with a racing engine suspension etc on street tires with a full interior.
at the idiots on the first and second page saying a supercar would explode attempting to drive WOT for a few hours one sunday afternoon. This post was edited on 12/10/18 at 12:37 pm
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Posted on 12/10/18 at 12:34 pm to Dam Guide
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I doubt it's 90%, you can go calculate the 919 record lap there. It has gas and break indicators in that video.
*brake
It's obviously going to depend on class. A 919 is not going to be flat near as much as a GT car.
You're flat from the exit of Hocheichen to Aremberg except for a maybe a small lift at Flugplatz. Then flat again all the way to Fuchsrohre. Then you're on and off throttle through the next section until Breidscheid. After that you're flat again all the way up the hill to the curve before the Karussell. Then on and off again for a bit until the exit of Pflanzgarten and then wide open to the second Karussell. After that you're flat again until just before the end of the lap. I actually think 90% is conservative.
This post was edited on 12/10/18 at 3:21 pm
Posted on 12/10/18 at 12:36 pm to MountainTiger
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MountainTiger
This guy gets it. If anything the N-Ring gets dinged for being a high hp speed track.
Posted on 12/10/18 at 12:43 pm to s14suspense
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at the idiots on the first and second page saying a supercar would explode attempting to drive WOT for a few hours one sunday afternoon.
There has to be a billion car videos on you tube. Post up the first one you find with a supercar at WOT for longer than 5 minutes.
Posted on 12/10/18 at 1:00 pm to DarthRebel
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A lot of us here are not rednecks or even NASCAR fans. We just understand Race vs. Consumer. We have not even got to rubbing is racing, which would completely destroy the supercars.
The question isn't whether a supercar would win, the question is whether the supercar could run to the limit for 500 miles.
All of this banter about long pit stops is irrelevant. Can it be done is the question in the OP.
Posted on 12/10/18 at 1:06 pm to troyt37
Take the best nascar pit team and give them to the supercar, and the supercar would still be lucky to finish the race.
Posted on 12/10/18 at 1:10 pm to troyt37
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There has to be a billion car videos on you tube. Post up the first one you find with a supercar at WOT for longer than 5 minutes.
LINK
An F1 will do 240 MPH in 1998. Do you really think that they couldn't restrictor plate it down to 200 mph to be WOT for 5+ minutes? Nascars aren't WOT 100% of a lap.
Posted on 12/10/18 at 1:20 pm to slackster
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The question isn't whether a supercar would win, the question is whether the supercar could run to the limit for 500 miles.
Yeah, that is where we got sidetracked. The original question was morphed into something more meaningful. You can take any car in the world and it get it to run only 500 miles. Some you could run close to full throttle and others you cannot. Every new car sold today is going to survive though, the engines/transmissions are designed for longevity.
Like I said I could do it in my wife's 4Runner.
Posted on 12/10/18 at 1:20 pm to s14suspense
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Nascars aren't WOT 100% of a lap.
The leader is on the two big tracks, rest can't without running each other over. They are restricted on big ovals as well due to the danger issue. They did 212 per lap in 87 before they thought things were getting out of hand on speed.
This post was edited on 12/10/18 at 1:23 pm
Posted on 12/10/18 at 1:21 pm to slackster
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All of this banter about long pit stops is irrelevant. Can it be done is the question in the OP.
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the question is whether the supercar could run to the limit for 500 miles.
I don't think some supercars would be on the limit of anything in a 500 mile oval race. They could probably take the high line faster on their own than some nascars.
There's a real benefit to technology and aero and turbos and carbon fiber that these race cars aren't using.
Posted on 12/10/18 at 1:23 pm to Dam Guide
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The leader is, rest can't without running each other over. They are restricted on big ovals as well due to the danger issue.
The leader is WOT on restrictor plate tracks.
WOT through a 1" hole isn't really WOT is it?
Posted on 12/10/18 at 1:24 pm to s14suspense
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There's a real benefit to technology and aero and turbos and carbon fiber that these race cars aren't using.
Well they do purposely slow nascars down, they try to breed a battle of drivers instead of a battle of cars.
Posted on 12/10/18 at 1:25 pm to s14suspense
If we're talking over-engineered and highly technical "supercars" like the Nissan GTR, Acura NSX, or BMW i8, I think the whole thing is a different story.
These cars were each rigorously engineered, designed, and tested for over a decade. Some may not consider them supercars because their numbers aren't as staggering as something like a Bugatti, but I would like their chances infinitely more in an actual endurance competition.
Posted on 12/10/18 at 1:28 pm to s14suspense
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WOT through a 1" hole isn't really WOT is it?
It is for the drivers purpose, driver is gonna use what you give him. Would be interesting to see what happens in this scenario without any modifications to the rules. I'd watch highlights from it, be boring as frick to watch them attempt it.
Posted on 12/10/18 at 1:36 pm to RazorBroncs
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If we're talking over-engineered and highly technical "supercars" like the Nissan GTR, Acura NSX, or BMW i8, I think the whole thing is a different story.
Those are pretty pedestrian supercars too. I'm referring to the hand-built carbon-tubbed high HP low drag Supercars such as the Ford GT and Mclaren 720S.
Not to mention the Senna, P1 GTR, 918 spyders of the world.
Posted on 12/10/18 at 1:47 pm to Dam Guide
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They are restricted on big ovals as well due to the danger issue. They did 212 per lap in 87 before they thought things were getting out of hand on speed.
What's the fastest lap ever, period? Rusty Wallace hit 228 at Talladega once, didn't he?
Posted on 12/10/18 at 1:57 pm to Dam Guide
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It is for the drivers purpose, driver is gonna use what you give him. Would be interesting to see what happens in this scenario without any modifications to the rules. I'd watch highlights from it, be boring as frick to watch them attempt it.
I see no real technical reason a new Ford GT couldn't put down 500 miles at Daytona if given racing tires. I'm not an expert, but I'd imagine the car could run 170-180mph over the course of 500 miles without needing to replace anything but fuel and tires.
Posted on 12/10/18 at 2:05 pm to slackster
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I see no real technical reason a new Ford GT couldn't put down 500 miles at Daytona if given racing tires. I'm not an expert, but I'd imagine the car could run 170-180mph over the course of 500 miles without needing to replace anything but fuel and tires.
But what if that supercar has to touch WOT, won't he explode immediately???
Posted on 12/10/18 at 2:31 pm to s14suspense
It's hopeless. The OT thinks that super/hypercar engines are time bombs ??
I'll try one last example. You can go buy a new 600 or 1000cc sportbike, for under $15k. They are so good stock now that you can literally change the tires and go race. So there's enough engineering there to run at 10-15k rpm for thousands of race miles before needing a rebuild, yet these OT knuckleheads think a million+ dollar car is automatically a time bomb. No. Just hell no.
The biggest thing a supercar would need to run the race is tires. On DOT's it wouldn't be competitive. Give it slicks and it's game on.
I'll try one last example. You can go buy a new 600 or 1000cc sportbike, for under $15k. They are so good stock now that you can literally change the tires and go race. So there's enough engineering there to run at 10-15k rpm for thousands of race miles before needing a rebuild, yet these OT knuckleheads think a million+ dollar car is automatically a time bomb. No. Just hell no.
The biggest thing a supercar would need to run the race is tires. On DOT's it wouldn't be competitive. Give it slicks and it's game on.
Posted on 12/10/18 at 2:36 pm to s14suspense
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An F1 will do 240 MPH in 1998. Do you really think that they couldn't restrictor plate it down to 200 mph to be WOT for 5+ minutes? Nascars aren't WOT 100% of a lap.
And Bill Elliot qualified at 212.809 mph at Talladega in 1987. On an oval. More than a decade before this F1 run. Obviously, 240 mph is a whole different world than even 200 mph, but notice that the speedo on the F1 was above 380kph for a total of 24 seconds.
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Nascars aren't WOT 100% of a lap.
Depends on the track. It's pretty much balls out at Talladega and Daytona, and has to be damn close to that at Atlanta and Texas.
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