re: Coronavirus Disease 2019 (COVID-19) ***W.H.O. DECLARES A GLOBAL PANDEMIC***

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Do you know much about Chinese culture? Honestly asking, not trying to be a prick.

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A decent amount, but by no means an expert. Been to the country numerous times and interacted with tons of people.

I’d say, from posts I’ve seen on here, Attorney is prob the most well versed on here.

I've spent large amounts of time over there as well, mostly dealing with the economic side of things. The Chinese people aren't nearly as individualistic as the western world, much less the United States, they view things for the greater good, the people that are/would be confined in so called colonies, would be more than happy to do so.

I did business with them for about 5 years. The tariffs hit (I am definitely for them...America was getting f#cked) and the business stopped.

My limited experience in dealing with China (and much of it was with the government) is that the numbers they are presenting are false. They dont actually know the number...they are just feeding numbers to satisfy the world to stay at bay while they try to figure out how bad it is.

It's about face...its always about face with the Chinese. I read about it in books on how to do business with them, but it took getting f#cked by them to realize the power of face.

We are witnessing its power on a global scale right now at the direction of Beijing central party.

For the CCP this is about face, not about actual death count.

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We are witnessing its power on a global scale right now at the direction of Beijing central party.

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Agree... And I think the media is beginning to call BS and assume this is going to be SARS 2.0, of which the Chinese govt got railed internationally.

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A vietnamese man

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The father/son?

If so, that is 3 days old now. The question is, how did they transfer it? I asked earlier whether the father may have brought tainted food with him...

So what's the update. We all turning into zombies?

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The criteria for rounding up Mexicans was the passport, not where they had been in the past days. They were detaining Mexicans who hadn’t been in Mexico for months, just because of their passport. We called the foreign ministry to find out what was going on, no one would answer.

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We went to hospitals to try to assist Mexicans detained (Chinese called it a quarantine, it was detention), I was not allowed in unless I wore a hazmat suit, scaring the children. Inside the hospital were municipal authorities, with no protection whatsoever.

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The big lesson is that this was all about pretending to do something about the potential pandemic, to be seen in control. It was never about actual health protocols. None of it made sense, but it made them look tough, and in control.

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I went to see Mexicans detained at a hospital, after the Chinese realized that the detention of of our citizens had become a huge issue in Mexico, they did what they do best, stonewalled. They didn’t allow me in to see them (none of them were sick).

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Everyone's piling on China now. The Mexican ambassador to China from 2007 to 2013 unleashed this tweetstorm earlier today:

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It makes sense. SARS was such a black eye for them that they've been heavy handed on responses to outbreaks internally since then.

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What all happened to them after SARS?

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International ridicule.

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BEIJING - In a rare admission of serious mistakes, the Chinese government fired the minister of health and the mayor of Beijing yesterday for their early mishandling of the respiratory disease known as SARS, canceled a national weeklong holiday and reported almost 10 times as many SARS cases in Beijing, with hundreds more likely to come.

After weeks of claims to the contrary, health officials acknowledged a full-fledged outbreak in the capital, with 346 confirmed cases of severe acute respiratory syndrome and 18 deaths, with 400 more suspected cases under evaluation.

Those figures rank Beijing as the city with the third-largest number of SARS cases in the world, after Hong Kong and Guangzhou in southern China.

China now acknowledges 79 deaths and 1,814 confirmed cases overall, nearly half the worldwide total, and those figures are expected to rise in the coming weeks as cities and provinces are pressured to provide accurate information.

The Health Ministry was "not well-prepared" for the outbreak and "didn't give clear instructions or effective guidance," Vice Minister of Health Gao Qiang said in unusually candid admissions at a nationally televised news conference. "The Chinese government answers to the broad masses of the people, and we will try all means to reverse and improve upon the weaknesses and faulty aspects of our work."

Shortly after Gao's remarks, the official New China News Agency announced that Health Minister Zhang Wenkang, who had declared SARS "under control" in China, and Beijing Mayor Meng Xuenong, whose government failed to give a candid accounting of SARS, had been stripped of their Communist Party posts

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Interesting thing I read today is that the lack of symptomatic children may suggest childhood vaccines are conferring secondary immunity.

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I find this incredibly hard to believe, partially because many childhood vaccines are lifelong so it should apply to some degree to adults, and I fail to see how it could possibly apply to a novel virus that just made the jump to humans.


The case study identified the asymptomatic carrier was a child. Age could very well have been a coincidence. No sense in trying to shove a pattern down reality’s gullet.