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re: Coronavirus Disease 2019 (COVID-19) ***W.H.O. DECLARES A GLOBAL PANDEMIC***

Posted on 2/27/20 at 11:24 am to
Posted by Scruffy
Kansas City
Member since Jul 2011
77273 posts
Posted on 2/27/20 at 11:24 am to
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It's not a good indicator of how contagious the virus is but it will give a great idea of the number of mild cases, critical cases, and mortality rate. If you can control of confounding variables like age.
It is not indicative of a general population and is largely not applicable.

Yes, you can obtain some data from it.

If it was a Caribbean cruise liner with a more diverse population of age and demographics, I would agree with you though.

Hell, the data from SK isn’t completely applicable considering ethnic demographics and general medical state of Asian countries compared to others, but it will be the best data available at this time due to age of those tested and infected.
This post was edited on 2/27/20 at 11:25 am
Posted by Bulletproof Lover
Baton Rouge
Member since Sep 2008
1900 posts
Posted on 2/27/20 at 11:24 am to
Let’s see, I work with 600 people at 50% infection and 2% mortality, only 6 die. At 70% infection it’s only 8.4 dead. That’s acceptable.
Posted by Poker_hog
Member since Mar 2019
3652 posts
Posted on 2/27/20 at 11:29 am to
It’ll be less than that for working age people.
Posted by willeaux
Member since Jan 2006
2995 posts
Posted on 2/27/20 at 11:33 am to
S. Korea official in charge of Corona Virus outbreak commits suicide

Damn. Hopefully just seriously under qualified and overwhelmed, not that freaked out about what is coming.
Posted by lsu13lsu
Member since Jan 2008
11824 posts
Posted on 2/27/20 at 11:33 am to
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I'll bet you money they aren't going to be talking negatively about Eric Holder's recent Tweet about how he doesn't think the Trump administration will do enough to combat this


When something could have been done about this they were all worried about Impeachment. Now they demand something to be done.
Posted by lsu13lsu
Member since Jan 2008
11824 posts
Posted on 2/27/20 at 11:37 am to
Seeing officials reactions is what is most troubling. The way China dug up roads and this guy killing himself. It just has a different feel. Admittedly, I didn't watch MERS, SARS or Swine Flu closely.
Posted by MrLarson
Member since Oct 2014
34984 posts
Posted on 2/27/20 at 11:38 am to
Today we experienced our first hiccup in the supply chain. Our Nashville store sells a lot of dusk masks and they called wanting to know if we had any because none of their suppliers had any.

This is for construction supply so maybe they've made all their inventory for Hospitals?
Posted by real turf fan
East Tennessee
Member since Dec 2016
11951 posts
Posted on 2/27/20 at 11:41 am to
Basic question:

If some of the tests are tests for antibodies, how long to antibodies persist in a body after an infection is either suppressed or eliminated?
Posted by WaWaWeeWa
Member since Oct 2015
15714 posts
Posted on 2/27/20 at 11:48 am to
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It is not indicative of a general population and is largely not applicable. Yes, you can obtain some data from it.


I agree that age is not controlled and will skew the numbers to look worse. I’m only looking at those numbers for the rates of asymptomatic cases and critical cases.

Its the best random sample we have considering every person has been monitored and tested wether they have symptoms or not which will identify asymptomatic or extremely mild cases. There were patients of a wide range of nationalities. Generally wealthy and recieved a lot of attention. If you believe those asymptomatic cases are the reason for the high mortality right now then this should be important for you. But if you already have your mind made up then I guess not.

South Korean numbers will have just as many unknown variables that aren’t controlled.
This post was edited on 2/27/20 at 11:49 am
Posted by Lsut81
Member since Jun 2005
85150 posts
Posted on 2/27/20 at 11:49 am to
Scuffy up in here like Forest Gump



“Sorry I ruined your Coronavirus Party”
Posted by WaWaWeeWa
Member since Oct 2015
15714 posts
Posted on 2/27/20 at 11:54 am to
with what? His hunch that it won’t be any worse than the flu. I hope so, but I’d like to see what evidence he has to support that. It certainly would make me feel better.

Or is it the appeal to authority that is attractive to you
Posted by Lsut81
Member since Jun 2005
85150 posts
Posted on 2/27/20 at 12:00 pm to
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with what? His hunch that it won’t be any worse than the flu. I hope so, but I’d like to see what evidence he has to support that. It certainly would make me feel better.


I’ll take his hunch and gut feeling as an ER doctor over your hopes and dreams for this to be as bad as possible so you can claim you were right all along.. His assertion has lined up with all of the based healthcare individuals that have spoken... You know, those not telling you how they put the fear of god in their kids over the virus and you should to.

You pulled your one trick pony shite on him too... Asked a question, didn’t get the response you wanted, and then tried to change the narrative “well what about”
Posted by WaWaWeeWa
Member since Oct 2015
15714 posts
Posted on 2/27/20 at 12:05 pm to
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I’ll take his hunch and gut feeling as an ER doctor over your hopes and dreams for this to be as bad as possible so you can claim you were right all along.. His assertion has lined up with all of the based healthcare individuals that have spoken... You know, those not telling you how they put the fear of god in their kids over the virus and you should to.


Scruffy is a pediatrician as far as I know, unless that was just his rotation at his time. Maybe he went into emergency care. I have just as much training and more experience than him, but that shouldn’t really matter if everyone is looking at the facts critically.

quote:

You pulled your one trick pony shite on him too... Asked a question, didn’t get the response you wanted, and then tried to change the narrative “well what about”


Right he said the data I presented wasn’t valid, but didn’t present any other evidence. I was open to hearing his reasoning but I didn’t really hear much.

But hey, he said what you wanted to hear and he works in an ED so...
This post was edited on 2/27/20 at 12:06 pm
Posted by Lsut81
Member since Jun 2005
85150 posts
Posted on 2/27/20 at 12:08 pm to
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have just as much training and more experience than him


Well tell us your qualifications then?


And why in the frick would you ask a lesser their opinion or thoughts on something, since you seem to be the high almighty
Posted by Volvagia
Fort Worth
Member since Mar 2006
53483 posts
Posted on 2/27/20 at 12:08 pm to
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Seeing officials reactions is what is most troubling.


And that is understandable to a point......but how long does this need to go before a politicians feelings start to matter less than that the actual numbers indicate?

Because we are rapidly approaching a case of self fulfilling prophecy here, where reactions are based on other reactions.
This post was edited on 2/27/20 at 12:58 pm
Posted by Scruffy
Kansas City
Member since Jul 2011
77273 posts
Posted on 2/27/20 at 12:09 pm to
Well, it is my general opinion based on the state of the current data.

I largely disregard the Chinese data. It likely underplays the number of infected for a few different reasons, which ultimately would skew the data towards being more deadly.

I also believe the cruise ship is skewed more in one direction too considering the age makeup as well.

This is just general stance at this time.

I would like more applicable data from a source that isn’t communist China or a country with subpar medical care.

My opinion may change, but the data is not there for me yet.
Posted by WaWaWeeWa
Member since Oct 2015
15714 posts
Posted on 2/27/20 at 12:11 pm to
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Well tell us your qualifications then?


I’m not getting into a pissing match. I only mentioned it after your appeal to authority. Id rather look at the data and interpret it critically. I was honestly interested in his reasoning since he made such a bold claim, and was hoping he had seen data that I hadn’t.
Posted by WaWaWeeWa
Member since Oct 2015
15714 posts
Posted on 2/27/20 at 12:12 pm to
Fair enough. That’s a reasonable assessment

I also agree the mortality rate will come down. I’m far more interested in the critical care rate at this point.
This post was edited on 2/27/20 at 12:15 pm
Posted by Jon Ham
Member since Jun 2011
29691 posts
Posted on 2/27/20 at 12:13 pm to
Italy has about 650 infections and 15 deaths, so a 2% death rate. Given that it spreads just as easily as the flu, which has a much lower death rate, how can this not be a serious concern?
Posted by GetCocky11
Calgary, AB
Member since Oct 2012
53509 posts
Posted on 2/27/20 at 12:17 pm to
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Italy has about 650 infections and 15 deaths, so a 2% death rate. Given that it spreads just as easily as the flu, which has a much lower death rate, how can this not be a serious concern?


I think he saying that the data isn't there.
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