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Posted on 9/20/20 at 10:55 pm to Scruffy
‘Member when Scruffy told us most of us wouldn’t have any ChinaVirus in our communities and most wouldn’t know anyone to catch it?
Posted on 9/21/20 at 11:31 am to SuperSaint
Scruffy was right that the media/politicians would make it worse than it is, but Scruffy missed the mark on this one. I still respect his opinion.
Posted on 9/21/20 at 3:28 pm to SuperSaint
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‘Member when Scruffy told us most of us wouldn’t have any ChinaVirus in our communities and most wouldn’t know anyone to catch it?
I didn't think I'd know anyone who'd wind up having it either. Turns out I ended up knowing one person and her symptoms were a sore throat and loss of taste/smell. Her fever broke in less than 24 hours. Total nothing burger.
This post was edited on 9/21/20 at 3:29 pm
Posted on 9/21/20 at 3:57 pm to RollTide1987
So now been a week and I still got fevers around 101 degrees at times, cold clammy skin, moving around gives me coughing fits so I just lay down all day. Wife's concerned I might develop pneumonia, so she orders an oxygen intake device or some shite. frick, I hope I don't need to be connected to a fricking machine. (nervous laughter)
(nervous laughter) 
Posted on 9/21/20 at 7:30 pm to tketaco
Hang in there. The vast majority of people survive COVID-19.
Exercising lungs with a spirometer reportedly helps prevent pneumonia but I no nothing about whether that is advised for COVID infections.
Exercising lungs with a spirometer reportedly helps prevent pneumonia but I no nothing about whether that is advised for COVID infections.
Posted on 9/22/20 at 1:28 am to tketaco
You need to hack that shite up. Didn’t think I had much congestion until I started having some effective coughs. Stay hydrated
Posted on 9/22/20 at 7:29 am to WaWaWeeWa
Science with an article pointing out the harm being done to children with the CoviD response.
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However, relative to their risk of contracting disease, children and adolescents have been disproportionately affected by lockdown measures, and advocates of child health need to ensure that children’s rights to health and social care, mental health support, and education are protected throughout subsequent pandemic waves.
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The role of children in transmission of SARS-CoV-2 remains unclear; however, existing evidence points to educational settings playing only a limited role in transmission when mitigation measures are in place, in marked contrast to other respiratory viruses. In the event of seemingly inevitable future waves of COVID-19, there is likely to be further pressures to close schools. There is now an evidence base on which to make decisions, and school closure should be undertaken with trepidation given the indirect harms that they incur. Pandemic mitigation measures that affect children’s wellbeing should only happen if evidence exists that they help because there is plenty of evidence that they do harm.
This post was edited on 9/22/20 at 8:57 am
Posted on 9/22/20 at 7:35 am to Capt ST
Holy shite! The French (Macron) showing some spine!
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Macron slapped down attempts to impose tougher restrictions to combat the virus, telling the health minister to “get back to me when you have done a better job.”
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“A million tests a week is very nice but if the results arrive too late, what’s the use?” Macron is reported to have demanded of his health minister.
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Meanwhile, a group of leading doctors, including the husband of Macron’s housing minister Emmanuelle Wargon, cautioned in Thursday’s edition of Le Monde newspaper, against further restrictive measures without a clear long-term strategy.
They warn of heavy social and economic consequences and declare that it is not only impossible but also counterproductive to try to stop the virus, since it is important to build up herd immunity.
A measure of risk must be accepted, they argue, proposing that efforts be concentrated on protecting those most in danger and avoiding overload in the hospital system.
Posted on 9/22/20 at 7:53 am to Whiznot
The AP via LA Times asking the tough questions: "Sweden has escaped a second coronavirus wave so far. The question is why"
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Whether on trains or trams, in supermarkets or shopping malls — places where face masks are commonly worn in much of the world — Swedes go about their lives without them.
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Localized outbreaks are expected, but rather than fight them with nationwide rules, officials plan to use targeted actions based on testing, contact tracing and isolating patients rapidly.
“It’s very important that we have quick and local response to hit down the virus without making restrictions for the whole country,” Health Minister Lena Hallengren said last week.
Posted on 9/22/20 at 9:59 am to Sasquatch Smash
Saw this from this morning. Our local hospital serves about 50,000 people. There is currently 1 hospitalization.
Posted on 9/22/20 at 11:49 am to tketaco
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So now been a week and I still got fevers around 101 degrees at times, cold clammy skin, moving around gives me coughing fits so I just lay down all day.
Laying down is the worst thing you can do. Move around and start hacking. Drink a lot of clear fluids as well. See if your doctor can get you an incentive spirometer to breath in to jumpstart those lungs a bit. You don’t want to be laying down with them on autopilot.
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Posted on 9/22/20 at 12:47 pm to St Augustine
From The BMJ, sounding "alarm" about using PCR tests to drive response:
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The polymerase chain reaction (PCR) swab test is useful (but not perfect) for detecting SARS-CoV-2 virus RNA in symptomatic patients. However, problems arise using the test for purposes that disregard symptoms or time of infection—namely, case finding, mass screening, and disease surveillance.
This is because PCR is not a test of infectiousness. Rather, the test detects trace amounts of viral genome sequence, which may be either live transmissible virus or irrelevant RNA fragments from previous infection. When people with symptoms or who have been recently exposed receive a positive PCR result they will probably be infectious. But a positive result in someone without symptoms or known recent exposure may be from live or dead virus, and so does not determine whether the person is infectious and able to transmit the virus to others.
Posted on 9/22/20 at 2:21 pm to Sasquatch Smash
I’ve often wondered if dead virus that can’t infect people was floating around in the air in places like hospitals. Let’s say a person were to inhale that dead virus and it get trapped in their nasal secretions. If the PCR is very sensitive could it pick up that dead virus? We will probably never know.
Posted on 9/22/20 at 3:35 pm to WaWaWeeWa
By the same token could it work as a vaccine?
Posted on 9/22/20 at 5:46 pm to Jim Rockford
I don’t think so, I was referring the viral particles that are no longer infectious but may be in the area that an infected person was previously.
I doubt they could stimulate a strong enough immune response to be helpful. But maybe it could explain some of these repeat positives.
I doubt they could stimulate a strong enough immune response to be helpful. But maybe it could explain some of these repeat positives.
Posted on 9/23/20 at 8:27 am to WaWaWeeWa
Pre-print from a Scottish study looking at households with children.
If this is true and supported by other evidence of crossreactivity, it seems like teaching in person is actually safer for adult teachers.
Good thing we kept all those teachers safe from those evil kids, though!
If it saves one life...
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The risk of hospitalisation with COVID-19 was lower in those with one child and lower still in those with two or more children, adjusting for age the hazard ratio (HR) was 0.83 per child (95% CI 0.70-0.99).
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Conclusion
Increased household exposure to young children was associated with an attenuated risk of testing positive for SARS-CoV-2 and appeared to also be associated with an attenuated risk of COVID-19 disease severe enough to require hospitalisation.
If this is true and supported by other evidence of crossreactivity, it seems like teaching in person is actually safer for adult teachers.
Good thing we kept all those teachers safe from those evil kids, though!
If it saves one life...
This post was edited on 9/23/20 at 8:28 am
Posted on 9/23/20 at 9:25 am to RollTide1987
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Total nothing burger.
This is where you lose people. It isn't a "nothing burger". But the lockdowns and restrictions are obviously ridiculous and need to end.
Posted on 9/23/20 at 10:38 am to RollTide1987
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I didn't think I'd know anyone who'd wind up having it either. Turns out I ended up knowing one person and her symptoms were a sore throat and loss of taste/smell. Her fever broke in less than 24 hours. Total nothing burger.
I know several like that. I also know someone who died of it. It's not a humanity ending plague. But it's definitely more than a nothingburger.
Posted on 9/23/20 at 12:33 pm to Jim Rockford
Pre-print from a Japanese study looking at seroprevalence in Tokyo.
Increased rapidly in a month according to their data, suggests herd immunity, and suggests that seroprevalence severely underestimates infection rates.
Tokyo didn't shut down!
Increased rapidly in a month according to their data, suggests herd immunity, and suggests that seroprevalence severely underestimates infection rates.
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Results: Six hundred fifteen healthy volunteers (mean + SD 40.8 + 10.0; range 19 - 69; 45.7 % female) received at least one test. Seroprevalence increased from 5.8 % to 46.8 % over the course of the summer. The most dramatic increase in SPR occurred in late June and early July, paralleling the rise in daily confirmed cases within Tokyo, which peaked on August 4. Out of the 350 individuals (mean + SD 42.5 + 10.0; range 19 - 69; 46.0 % female) who completed both offered tests, 21.4 % of those individuals who tested seronegative became seropositive and seroreversion was found in 12.2 % of initially seropositive participants. 81.1% of IgM positive cases at first testing became IgM negative in approximately one month.
Conclusions and Relevance: COVID-19 infection may have spread widely across the general population of Tokyo despite the very low fatality rate. Given the temporal correlation between the rise in seropositivity and the decrease in reported COVID-19 cases that occurred without a shut-down, herd immunity may be implicated. Sequential testing for serological response against COVID-19 is useful for understanding the dynamics of COVID-19 infection at the population-level.
Tokyo didn't shut down!
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