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re: Competition for College Admissions in Texas is unreal

Posted on 2/9/18 at 6:29 am to
Posted by Mo Jeaux
Member since Aug 2008
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Posted on 2/9/18 at 6:29 am to
What kind of minority?
Posted by TigrrrDad
Member since Oct 2016
7617 posts
Posted on 2/9/18 at 6:32 am to
The girl is Asian, and the boy is Blasian.
Posted by Big Chipper
Charlotte, NC
Member since Sep 2008
2887 posts
Posted on 2/9/18 at 6:32 am to
Something doesn't sound right. The valedictorian only had a 4.69? My son took 10 APs and a ton of honors classes and had a 5.2 GPA. Do APs count for 5 or 6? Here in NC, standard classes are 4 pts, Honors are 5 pts and AP are 6 pts.
Posted by TheOcean
#honeyfriedchicken
Member since Aug 2004
44450 posts
Posted on 2/9/18 at 6:35 am to
It shouldn't be possible for a HS kid to have higher than a 5.0
Posted by NoSaint
Member since Jun 2011
12084 posts
Posted on 2/9/18 at 6:36 am to
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Your son took 15 AP classes and only had 33 hours of credit at UTD? How many did he fail, shite


I took like 4 and that was considered a hefty amount... I walked in with like 15 credits. I was wholly unaware that the children of the OT were all doing like 15 AP classes.

Aren’t there only something like 30 AP tests total? Are your kids taking college level classes in like 4 languages?
Posted by East Coast Band
Member since Nov 2010
65899 posts
Posted on 2/9/18 at 6:37 am to
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alot of Texas seniors are opting to go to alabama though,I hear

Alabama now has more than half of its freshmen from out of state. They dole out scholarships handsomely to top students from other states. If you have good grades, and good ACT, I'd highly recommend taking a look at Bama. You could get a near free education at a quality school. (laugh if you want, but Bama has been growing a lot and building tons of new academic buildings.)
Posted by slackster
Houston
Member since Mar 2009
90040 posts
Posted on 2/9/18 at 6:37 am to
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4.2 should not be too 17%. What kind of fricking grade inflation is going on over there?



Yeah, the OP should have sent his kids to a mediocre school and they would have a better chance for Top 7%.

His son's numbers would have got him accepted if he was going to UT from out of state. The auto acceptance based on percentile is asinine.
Posted by Boss
Member since Dec 2007
1652 posts
Posted on 2/9/18 at 6:45 am to
WTF. Keep moving the bar. Soon it will be 10.0. Graduated from UT a while ago. Top 2% in class and 1440 on SAT. That wasn't close to being good enough to get into an Ivy League.
Posted by crazycubes
Member since Jan 2016
5256 posts
Posted on 2/9/18 at 6:50 am to
This is that goofy top 10% rule for auto admissions.
Some parents even transfer their kids to poor inner city schools so they can be garanteed to make the top 10% of that schools graduating class.

Eta: I see its top 7% now, anywho, same concept. Send you smart kid to a dirt poor , crime infested school, make top 7% easily! Then head to UT or Texas A&M.
This post was edited on 2/9/18 at 6:55 am
Posted by BobABooey
Parts Unknown
Member since Oct 2004
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Posted on 2/9/18 at 6:50 am to
We figured this out a few years ago in regards to our kids. We moved to a place that had outstanding schools and then we learned how the schools got the great marks. The majority of the students were “professional students” who went to additional schooling after the regular school day and also went to tutoring sessions on Saturday. Those students were not allowed to participate in athletics or extracurricular activities other than the robotics club. We have since moved further out to the country. The schools are still good, my kids are safe there, and they excel. None of the in-state schools consider where you went to high school - it’s all about class ranking. I’ve seen a lot of kids who don’t get into UT or A&M go to Texas Tech or U of Arkansas. As for Blinn, don’t kids go there and then transfer to A&M?

It sounds like you’ve got a couple of great kids who will do well and succeed regardless of where they go.
Posted by cupchu1
Member since Aug 2012
419 posts
Posted on 2/9/18 at 6:55 am to
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We all had pressure as young adults but most didn't commit suicide when I was growing up. I think social media has contributed greatly to this epidemic.


I get what you’re saying, but in this case I know at least one of the kids who committed suicide was shite all over by his parents. Brought shame to the family, wasn’t as good as his siblings, etc. You’d be hard pressed to find many people who got that level of ridicule from parents for only getting into A&M. It’s despicable.
Posted by GetCocky11
Calgary, AB
Member since Oct 2012
53397 posts
Posted on 2/9/18 at 6:56 am to
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Academically Texas and Texas aTm are on par with Ivy League schools. Great schools.


lmao
Posted by Rouge
Floston Paradise
Member since Oct 2004
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Posted on 2/9/18 at 6:56 am to
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supatigah
rookie

I already got Owlie to hook me up with Earl Campbell for college admission videos for my kids.

Hook 'Em
Posted by crazycubes
Member since Jan 2016
5256 posts
Posted on 2/9/18 at 6:56 am to
I have a cousin in law that went to Texas A&M Galveston (or some satellite campus) then auto transferred to College Station after making the grades needed. Maybe that's an option?
Posted by LarryCLE
Member since Apr 2017
1642 posts
Posted on 2/9/18 at 7:00 am to
I feel like what you major in matters a lot more than where you go to school nowadays. My dad went to a small state school that most people have never heard of, then to a mid-level medical school. I went to two well known state schools but I’ll never sniff the money he makes.
Posted by Bunk Moreland
Member since Dec 2010
62926 posts
Posted on 2/9/18 at 7:01 am to
I don't understand why some schools are so competitive now compared to 20-30 years ago. Is it just more kids going to college due to student loan money sloshing around or international students taking some of the spots from locals? I bet my high school class in the metro Detroit area back in the day had 15-20 kids go to Michigan. Now, the number is like two, and Michigan State is on par with what Michigan was back then -- relatively competitive to get into and certainly not a dumb party school.
Posted by GetCocky11
Calgary, AB
Member since Oct 2012
53397 posts
Posted on 2/9/18 at 7:02 am to
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Doesn't UT Dallas have a couple of very good programs?



Yeah, UT-Dallas is actually a pretty good school if you're going for the right program.
Posted by StringedInstruments
Member since Oct 2013
19859 posts
Posted on 2/9/18 at 7:02 am to
I'm finding this hard to wrap my head around.

According to UT Austin's website, their average incoming freshman (90% in-state by the way) have an ACT score range of 26-32. The website further claims "Texas Students Not Automatically Admitted: 28 – 33."

~87% of admitted freshman graduated in the top 25% of their class.

It appears that UT Austin does not consider academic GPA. Class rank is much more important but only a prerequisite for automatic admission. For non-automatic admission applicants, extracurriculars and the academic essay are important. To reiterate, ACT/SAT and class rank are the top qualifiers for being admitted to UT Austin.

Further, according to CollegeData.com, 88% of incoming freshman have an ACT range of 24-36, 37% of 24-29, and 51% of 30-36.

Fact is, based on what you've provided, your son should have been a shoe-in applicant for UT Austin. He's well within the range of accepted in-state applicants. If what you're saying is accurate and he does attend a respected high school, he would be even more competitive. I've worked with admissions at multiple institutions and it's a common practice to place a higher regard on the better state high schools than the lower-ranked ones.

As for Texas A&M, their standards are similar if not a bit lower than UT Austin. Their 75th percentile ACT score is 30. They also do not consider GPA. While class rank is still vital for automatic admission (your daughter missed the cut by 1 percentage point), she should have been competitive to get in with her essays and extracurriculars (if she had them).

Not trying to rain on your venting here, but I don't think you're giving us the whole story.
This post was edited on 2/9/18 at 7:14 am
Posted by Bmath
LA
Member since Aug 2010
18760 posts
Posted on 2/9/18 at 7:06 am to
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“At least we can get into UT, LSU was the backup for most of you.”


The irony here is that they probably only really got into UT based on class ranking.
Posted by cupchu1
Member since Aug 2012
419 posts
Posted on 2/9/18 at 7:07 am to
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Something doesn't sound right. The valedictorian only had a 4.69? My son took 10 APs and a ton of honors classes and had a 5.2 GPA. Do APs count for 5 or 6? Here in NC, standard classes are 4 pts, Honors are 5 pts and AP are 6 pts.



When I was in high school in Texas (7 years ago and about 20 minutes from OP) it was 4.0 for advanced (normal level) and 5.0 for honors/AP. Only difference between honors and AP was the actual AP exam at the end of the year.

The highest possible GPA wasn’t a 5.0 though, because not everything was offered as honors/AP. Health, PE, music, art, etc. I think lower level foreign languages as well.

The GPA chasing game is actually quite sad. I knew a number of musically or artistically gifted kids who were forced to quit band, orchestra, or art by their parents in order to free up more space for honors/AP classes. I took solace in the fact that our valedictorian, who only did schoolwork and graduated with the highest possible GPA, didn’t get in to Duke, Stanford, UPenn, Harvard, or MIT, while about half of the top 15 or so did.
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