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re: Colorado: If you don’t disclose job opening expected salary…..
Posted on 6/18/21 at 12:51 pm to baldona
Posted on 6/18/21 at 12:51 pm to baldona
quote:This is definitively not the case for my industry.
In my experience a vast majority of jobs that don't list a Salary range are either low paying or suck.
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Posted on 6/18/21 at 12:51 pm to fightin tigers
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Would you negotiate with a contractor by telling them the max you are willing to pay rather than the price they are willing to do the job for?
Yes, because they’re fungible and I can cap my outlay via contract.
Posted on 6/18/21 at 12:52 pm to Henry Jones Jr
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Saves people and the business a lot of time
What if the business wants to save money instead of time?
The guy I have interviewing is getting paid the same whether he does 1 interview or 10. If he can save me 30% on a candidate to fill a spot then hell yeah.
Posted on 6/18/21 at 12:53 pm to Henry Jones Jr
I would love it if someone would post an example of a job posting where one familiar with the field couldn't tell by just reading the requirements what could be reasonably expected for salary.
Posted on 6/18/21 at 12:53 pm to Cowboyfan89
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I don't know what kind of job descriptions people are reading, but I can generally get a good feel for whether or not I think a position is going to pay what I think I'm worth.
I posted 2 examples earlier. One for a position that was doing the exact same work that I was doing in New Orleans, but it was located in a place with a COL of about 2-3x of New Orleans, yet they wanted to pay me the same salary that I was making in New Orleans.
And, another was a hospital that was attempting to hire people for a job that is commensurate of a ~75k salary for less than 30k
ETA: another example I know. At one time there was a healthcare organization paying analysts a starting salary of 45k, where another healthcare organization was paying people to do the exact same work, same experience and everything 65k. This was in the same market, but in a field that was new and relatively unknown in the market. The people taking the 45k jobs probably had zero idea of the worth of the position that they were taking.
This post was edited on 6/18/21 at 1:00 pm
Posted on 6/18/21 at 12:55 pm to Henry Jones Jr
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"Lets force business to do what we want because it inconveniences me."
Very progressive of you.
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Yep. Saves people and the business a lot of time.
Commies do commie things.
Posted on 6/18/21 at 12:56 pm to Cowboyfan89
quote:This is more where I stand. I know within a pretty tightly coiled range into what I'm applying, but there isn't a single position posted that has a $ figure attached to it. I also don't pretend like my situation is everyone else's, which is why I won't be a giant prick and speak in absolutes like some others.
I would love it if someone would post an example of a job posting where one familiar with the field couldn't tell by just reading the requirements what could be reasonably expected for salary.
Posted on 6/18/21 at 12:58 pm to Epic Cajun
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One for a position that was doing the exact same work that I was doing in New Orleans, but it was located in a place with a COL of about 2-3x of New Orleans, yet they wanted to pay me the same salary that I was making in New Orleans.
You should know COL is only one factor when comparing markets. But that is just one factor when analyzing a job and compensation and for some reason it appears candidates seem lazy about knowing a market for their talents.
Posted on 6/18/21 at 12:59 pm to Henry Jones Jr
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Yep. Saves people and the business a lot of time. Imagine having someone take up your time and when you tell them the salary in the interview, they are no longer interested in the position. You've wasted time and money by not listing the salary online.
It makes no logical sense why businesses wouldn't do this.
Roger is under the impression that people in HR are smart apparently
They're not and they waste a lot of their own time and other people's time
Posted on 6/18/21 at 1:02 pm to fightin tigers
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You should know COL is only one factor when comparing markets. But that is just one factor when analyzing a job and compensation and for some reason it appears candidates seem lazy about knowing a market for their talents.
How am I supposed to be aware of the pay in a particular market if it isn’t advertised anywhere? I know the pay in other high COL markets is much greater, but the data on Hawaii just wasn’t there to see at the time.
Posted on 6/18/21 at 1:03 pm to Epic Cajun
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How am I supposed to be aware of the pay in a particular market if it isn’t advertised anywhere?
Networking. It is a real thing that people greatly underestimate.
Posted on 6/18/21 at 1:04 pm to fightin tigers
You network with people in literally every market in the country?
Posted on 6/18/21 at 1:05 pm to Powerman
quote:I legit have no idea how this is a bad thing or how anyone could view it as such.
Roger is under the impression that people in HR are smart apparently
They're not and they waste a lot of their own time and other people's time
The only people that wouldn't like this are HR people who know it's a low wage but want to get you in to "convince" you that working for such an awesome company is worth the low pay.
Posted on 6/18/21 at 1:05 pm to Epic Cajun
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How am I supposed to be aware of the pay in a particular market
This information is all over the internet. You can also just ask the employer
But you prefer the government do it for you.
Posted on 6/18/21 at 1:06 pm to Epic Cajun
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How am I supposed to be aware of the pay in a particular market if it isn’t advertised anywhere? I know the pay in other high COL markets is much greater, but the data on Hawaii just wasn’t there to see at the time
Not sure when this was, but I always look at government pay scales. Not a perfect comparison to private sector, but since they have to post them, it at least gives you something to look at between comparable government jobs in different locations. Federal is the best one because you know someone in Hawaii working as a GS-11 in a particular job series has the same job description and responsibilities as someone in Baton Rouge with the same grade and job series.
Posted on 6/18/21 at 1:06 pm to RogerTheShrubber
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You can also just ask the employer
I did ask them, in the interview. I wouldn’t have even taken the interview if I knew the answer though.
ETA: I work in a very specific field, it’s not like I can just type in some vague job title and get legitimate salary info for every market.
This post was edited on 6/18/21 at 1:08 pm
Posted on 6/18/21 at 1:07 pm to fightin tigers
quote:So take more time out of your day to talk with people to hopefully get a good idea of what the starting salary for a person in that field is? And the number they give you may not even be accurate?
Networking. It is a real thing that people greatly underestimate
Or... The company could just list the salary and avoid the bullshite.
Posted on 6/18/21 at 1:07 pm to Epic Cajun
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You network with people in literally every market in the country?
Every market or the ones I am actively looking for a job in?
How do you know the company you are applying to is worth a frick in that market? How do you know there aren't better options? What if there are better sectors for your role in that market you aren't applying for because you don't know the company name?
Posted on 6/18/21 at 1:08 pm to Epic Cajun
quote:This. I've been in a few interviews where I wouldn't have even wasted my time if they told me straight up what the salary was. It's a waste of my time and theirs.
I did ask them, in the interview. I wouldn’t have even taken the interview if I knew the answer though.
Posted on 6/18/21 at 1:08 pm to Henry Jones Jr
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So take more time out of your day to talk with people to hopefully get a good idea of what the starting salary for a person in that field is? And the number they give you may not even be accurate?
Yes. Yes. Yes. Believe it or not people who are in that market are a lot honest than the company hiring you will ever be.
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