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re: Colorado deputies shoot and kill man who asked for help after car crash
Posted on 9/14/22 at 12:22 pm to LSU alum wannabe
Posted on 9/14/22 at 12:22 pm to LSU alum wannabe
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Psychotic break. Everybody jokes about “send in the counselors” when defunding the police was a big topic. Wouldn’t be a bad idea to have ONE counselor on the payroll. A guy who can be called out to a situation. Seems easier to train a counselor basic LEO training. Meaning how not to get shot only. Than it is to train a cop how to be a counselor.
Multiple cops tried to reason with the guy. They each had a different approach. The dude was fricked up and not in his right mind and it got him killed.
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Posted on 9/14/22 at 12:23 pm to diat150
What got him killed was bullets from the officers’ guns.
Posted on 9/14/22 at 12:23 pm to Master of Sinanju
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I guess the question is did he really flip out and try to stab an officer or is that an exaggeration?
when he was shot he was waving a knife but that door was shut and window was still in tact so no way he couldve stabbed anyone except himself
Posted on 9/14/22 at 12:23 pm to DisplacedBuckeye
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That doesn't lead us to "solely by LEO behavior."
Sure it does.
He was a 0.0 threat
He remained a 0.0 threat until LEO busted his window and tried to seize him (possibly without the legal authority to do so).
What variable increased his threat level? LEO behavior.
Posted on 9/14/22 at 12:23 pm to Steadyhands
quote:Yes, they should be waiting on people in situations like this.
and shouldn't have waited it out. Police should not be just waiting on people.
Posted on 9/14/22 at 12:24 pm to Earnest_P
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What got him killed was bullets from the officers’ guns.
You are stupid if you believe that.
Posted on 9/14/22 at 12:24 pm to ReauxlTide222
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Could they have not contacted his family to get more details on his health and maybe had them try to reason with him?
Maybe get a doctor out there who could talk to him in a way that he understand? I imagine he’s aware of the issues he has.
We can exhaust every imaginable resource to search for missing people for days but we can’t go 4 minutes without telling someone who is having an episode that we’re going to drag them out out there car?
We can’t go an hour without shooting them when the scene is controlled?
I doubt it’s realistic but I’d give police permission to tranquilize my son before blasting him in the chest. Or throw some type of sleeping gas shite in there(Idk if that’s even a thing ).
My point is IF I’m his father and on scene, we better be taking as long as it fricking takes to HELP my son.
All of this. We'll put a guy that's killed 40 people in jail for life and someone wants to talk about "finite resources" when they had to deal with this dude for a whole hour before they blasted him.
Posted on 9/14/22 at 12:24 pm to Earnest_P
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Not remove him from the vehicle at all until he isn’t holding a knife seems like a better option to me, but I tend to think they should go to great lengths not to kill people unnecessarily.
Obviously this is ideal. But if he doesn’t put it down?
Posted on 9/14/22 at 12:26 pm to diat150
If you think he’s high and it’s causing him to act irrationally, why not wait until he either exits the car and actually poses a threat or until he’s no longer high and irrational?
Just because it would be inconvenient to leave a couple officers there for hours watching him?
Just because it would be inconvenient to leave a couple officers there for hours watching him?
Posted on 9/14/22 at 12:27 pm to diat150
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You are stupid if you believe that.
It’s a plain fact.
Posted on 9/14/22 at 12:27 pm to diat150
what the f are you talking about? Who said trust what he says? If he throws the knife out of the window then you can trust that he just threw a knife out of the window. At that point the risk profile of this whole situation has decreased dramatically. Then you can breach and use non lethal means with a much lower risk of bodily harm to anyone.
He had the knife on his lap and threw it to the other seat. The cops thanked him for that. So how is it hard to take it one step further and remove it from the vehicle?
He had the knife on his lap and threw it to the other seat. The cops thanked him for that. So how is it hard to take it one step further and remove it from the vehicle?
Posted on 9/14/22 at 12:27 pm to The Boat
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Sucks he got shot and died but I’m confused as to why this guy was being such a pussy.
British I know.. but this story makes zero sense.
honestly sounds like the guy was high as a kite on something or in a mental break down.
pretty shitty response from the police.
This post was edited on 9/14/22 at 12:30 pm
Posted on 9/14/22 at 12:27 pm to Mid Iowa Tiger
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The only thing a cop really worries about while on duty is getting home safe.
This is a fact. They aren’t out for blood as so many suggest.
It’s clearly a case of terrible judgment by the cops, but not some kind of blood lust.
This post was edited on 9/14/22 at 12:28 pm
Posted on 9/14/22 at 12:28 pm to SlowFlowPro
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Sure it does.
No it doesn't.
You could maybe argue that the actions of officers were more of a contributing factor.
Maybe...
Posted on 9/14/22 at 12:28 pm to RogerTheShrubber
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Of course they do, but we are asking them to do multiple things at once without appropriate training.
Their training just conditions them to extreme self protection. All PDs should have mental health negotiators on staff.
If all of his actions were based simply on mental health, then he shouldn't be operating the vehicle which put him there in the first place. However, he admitted to smoking something.
Regardless of all that, and even if they had someone trained for mental health issues on the scene, he still needed to be removed from the vehicle, and that wasn't going to be an easy task. They should have broken the window, increased amount of non-lethal force, got his door open, and got him out.
This post was edited on 9/14/22 at 1:29 pm
Posted on 9/14/22 at 12:29 pm to Smoke7024
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All of this. We'll put a guy that's killed 40 people in jail for life and someone wants to talk about "finite resources" when they had to deal with this dude for a whole hour before they blasted him.
The discussion, if you'd bothered to follow it, was a hypothetical time frame for someone to sober up.
Posted on 9/14/22 at 12:30 pm to Earnest_P
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you think he’s high and it’s causing him to act irrationally, why not wait until he either exits the car and actually poses a threat or until he’s no longer high and irrational? Just because it would be inconvenient to leave a couple officers there for hours watching him?
First off, they didnt know what weapons the guy had. What if he pulls out a gun and starts shooting? Then we would all be asking why they didnt pull him out of the car.
Next, if he knew the cops were going to kill him why did he call them?
Posted on 9/14/22 at 12:30 pm to Earnest_P
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What got him killed was bullets from the officers’ guns.
Oh boy, you're one of those...
Posted on 9/14/22 at 12:31 pm to diat150
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Multiple cops tried to reason with the guy. They each had a different approach. The dude was fricked up and not in his right mind and it got him killed.
These cops have the appropriate training? It isn't a matter of 'reasoning' man. He's having a mental health episode.
Posted on 9/14/22 at 12:32 pm to diat150
Look I'm as big a supporter of the police as anyone. But to act like they are all infallible is just plain absurd. This was a really shitty job of escalating a situation that didnt need to go there. Some of yall need to get your heads out of your asses.
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