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re: Colorado deputies shoot and kill man who asked for help after car crash
Posted on 9/14/22 at 12:01 pm to SlowFlowPro
Posted on 9/14/22 at 12:01 pm to SlowFlowPro
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The person being left alone long enough for any potential illegal or intoxicating substances are out of his body and removing any evidence that he may have been possibly driving intoxicated.
Well, not completely left alone. Someone has to ensure they don't just continue on their way before they are sober.
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If they just sat around for long enough and didn't engage in escalate a situation then yes
And this is a good use of finite resources?
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Posted on 9/14/22 at 12:01 pm to SlowFlowPro
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At what point do you believe a LEO was in legitimate threat of serious bodily harm in this situation?
When they showed up and the guy was acting irrationaly and admitted to smoking something and had weapons. Beyond that he did not obey the commands and later armed himself with a knife and attempted to stab an officer.
Posted on 9/14/22 at 12:01 pm to SlowFlowPro
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but based on the supervisor's comments they shouldn't have been there
Aren't you a paralegal or something? You don't know the difference between "If no crime has been committed" and "No crime has been committed"?
Posted on 9/14/22 at 12:01 pm to shel311
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Right and I and I think others have asked, what is a typical policy...but no one seems to know.
Well I've been part of some training sessions on zoom where residents try to train cops to recognize mental health episodes, and I don't think this one suburban department that participated had any protocol in place previously. I don't know that we can extrapolate from that experience and I imagine it gets more complicated in larger departments, as already to organize that session required heavy incentives for the lecturer and the attendees.
Posted on 9/14/22 at 12:03 pm to Blue Crawfish
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The #1 rule when dealing with cops is comply don’t die. He failed.
frick you
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I’m not defending either party.
Yes, you are with the above statement.
Posted on 9/14/22 at 12:04 pm to DisplacedBuckeye
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And this is a good use of finite resources?
No they should have just left after an initial check, which is what it appears the supervisor told them they should.
Murdering a person who was no threat to anyone is a more suboptimal use of resources, especially since the situation was escalated solely by LEO behavior.
Posted on 9/14/22 at 12:04 pm to SlowFlowPro
quote:The one dude has posted no less than 4 times that that comment was a a response to an "IF" hypothetical question, but you've yet to acknowledge that.
but based on the supervisor's comments
Posted on 9/14/22 at 12:04 pm to diat150
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When they showed up and the guy was acting irrationaly and admitted to smoking something and had weapons
He's just arguing to argue, and hear himself. He's not that stupid.
He says they should have left him alone, he knows better. He's just being an arse.
Posted on 9/14/22 at 12:04 pm to UpToPar
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You don't know the difference between "If no crime has been committed" and "No crime has been committed"?
LEO: we don't believe a crime has been committed
Supervisor: if no crime is committed, then you should leave
Posted on 9/14/22 at 12:05 pm to shel311
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The one dude has posted no less than 4 times that that comment was a a response to an "IF" hypothetical question,
That's an assumption. A big one.
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but you've yet to acknowledge that.
I have acknowledged that we don't have all of the audio as of this discussion
Posted on 9/14/22 at 12:06 pm to diat150
Posted on 9/14/22 at 12:06 pm to UpToPar
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Aren't you a paralegal or something?
Thought he was a lawyer.
Posted on 9/14/22 at 12:06 pm to RogerTheShrubber
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He's just arguing to argue, and hear himself. He's not that stupid.
He says they should have left him alone, he knows better. He's just being an arse.
This thread is reminding me of the initial Ahmed Aubrey threads.
LOTS of edited posts in those threads if you go look for them now
Posted on 9/14/22 at 12:07 pm to AUstar
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If anyone wants to see the whole unedited video, it is online. It is about an hour long:
Youtube
HERE WE GO
Posted on 9/14/22 at 12:07 pm to SlowFlowPro
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No they should have just left after an initial check
So what keeps the intoxicated individual off the road? Hope?
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especially since the situation was escalated solely by LEO behavior
I refuse to accept that you actually believe this.
Posted on 9/14/22 at 12:07 pm to UpToPar
Not letting the guy throw this knife out was an incredibly dumb decision. No one was at risk of being stabbed at that point. Let him get rid of the only weapon that can cause him or the officers any harm. Because of that, this kid is dead instead of getting the mental help that he needed.
Posted on 9/14/22 at 12:07 pm to SlowFlowPro
quote:Crashed car, admitted to smoking something, acting irattionally, talked about killing skin crawler people...but just leave him?
No they should have just left after an initial check
quote:Does it?
which is what it appears the supervisor told them they should
Posted on 9/14/22 at 12:09 pm to SlowFlowPro
Has anyone already mentioned that he did not comply?
"Comply or die" seems to the consensus on the board in other cases.
"Comply or die" seems to the consensus on the board in other cases.
Posted on 9/14/22 at 12:09 pm to shel311
Posting this again :
https://twitter.com/SteveStaeger/status/1569655843234238465
Anyone read that?
https://twitter.com/SteveStaeger/status/1569655843234238465
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In a 911 call, obtained by 9NEWS, 22-year-old Glass tells the call taker that he's stuck. He also appears to be delusional and paranoid, saying he's seeing skin-walkers and he might have to go kill them.
Anyone read that?
Posted on 9/14/22 at 12:09 pm to RogerTheShrubber
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He's just arguing to argue, and hear himself. He's not that stupid. He says they should have left him alone, he knows better. He's just being an arse.
Yeah anyone that has been here a while knows his schtick. Surprised quite a few others are stupid enough to go along with it.
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