re: College majors that pay poorly.

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Graduate college at 22, work for 30 years, retire at 52 with health care and salary for life. Plus your student loans are forgiven. That is a nice trade off, but you have to do it for 30 years.

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You can live a very good life doing this in a Midwest town. You won't be rich, but you won't be poor either and can live a full, comfortable life. I know many teachers in this situation and they all seem very happy with their lives.

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You moron.

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Do you feel better now? Baha

I read your whole convoluted post. Don’t worry.

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No, what's truly incredible is that you act as though teachers don't CONSTANTLY demand higher pay even though they work part time jobs and studies indicate that they are no more likely to take work home than their private sector counterparts in middle management

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I teach an extra curricular. I documented every hour I worked this year. It came out to 2100 hours, the same as a normal 9-5er. Granted, football season duties are rough, and the hours I work are in the minority. But your post is why I hate blanket statements.

The major problem with that graph is simply that those fields of study no longer translate -- at very least -- to median incomes commensurate with a comfortable middle class life.

A better America isn't having less educated people in any of those fields but simply addressing what has made having a home, health care, kids, higher education etc so unaffordable for most people whether they paint houses or edit art theory journals.

A great America should have factory workers, accountants, teachers and also historians and artists being able to afford a decent life.

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Were those your contracted work hours, or is that counting all the stuff you "felt" or got guilted into thinking you needed to do (extra training, etc.)?

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It’s about 500 hours more than contract. I get a stipend for those hours, which came out to approximately $19.50 an hour. I teach a subject that requires me to work those extra hours.

I’m not going to bitch and say I didn’t know any of this when I signed up, but my job has changed significantly in the nearly two decades during which I’ve been employed. My profession is filled with youngsters who don’t have families and much enjoyment outside of this field. It’s why I’m starting to research my other options.

As I said earlier, coupled with the economic shift since I graduated, different priorities in life, and the changing landscape of public education, parents, etc…I’m about done.

There’s not much that bothers me more than some random folks telling me that I work 37 weeks a year and have an easy job. It’s an easy profession to get into, and easy to keep the job, but not easy if you truly want to be worth a shite at educating kids.

If I had a 100M trust fund, I would study archeology and take expeditionary trips.

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You can make $35 an hour working at Bucee's with no degree.

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Like I said, a great America, to me, is one with educated people from all different viewpoints as well as electricians and Buccee's cashiers.

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I wouldn’t take out huge loans for it or anything but I think people who solely look at college in terms of monetary ROI and a job training program are missing the point of it

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Whats the point then?

Really expensive 13th grade?

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There’s a ton of people that are “teachers” that can’t teach.

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Agreed. We are in Houston ISD and they have high turnover and will take just about anyone with a pulse to put into a classroom. We've been lucky, but some literally just read off of what the district gives them and add nothing to it.

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Rigorous and focused course of directed, criticized/evaluated study typical of the better Ph.D. programs.

Not that one can't be "educated" otherwise but this type of education is crucial to any society as a whole that actually moves beyond its own current conditions, limitations and perspectives.

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Slightly better than a Kamala answer, but just as thin. The A&M school of Education offers 30 different PhDs, including such bangers as Educational Administration and Curriculum and Instruction. The Texas Educational Association sets the curriculum for the state, and has 15 members. Surely three different PhDs for the same thing at one University will save the world!

You're thinking of a classical liberal education, which is free at Khan Academy. But keep defending 6 figures of debt as some sort of societal good that will deliver us from the dark ages. 44% of high school kids enroll in a 4 year university, which is way too high.

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The problem with the costs of higher education are similar enough to the problems with everything else that is erasing wealth

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Loans were federalized in 2010, and tuition costs exploded. Besides, you can't build lazy rivers at student centers without more fees!

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Federalization (moving to a largely federal, loan-guaranteed/direct system and expanding who could borrow and how much) affected college costs mainly through the “ability to pay” channel: when students’ federal borrowing limits expand or become more accessible, their effective purchasing power rises, which lets schools raise tuition (or raises “sticker” tuition even more than discounts), because demand becomes less constrained and colleges capture more of that extra willingness/ability to pay

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