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re: College majors that pay poorly.
Posted on 7/8/26 at 12:07 am to Shorts Guy
Posted on 7/8/26 at 12:07 am to Shorts Guy
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Education comprising the least lucrative paths one could take. Unbelievable.
Why is it unbelievable?
The fact is that teaching regular, average students is not that hard, provided that your students have parents who support their learning.
Case in point, the Amish middle school girls teach the younger elementary students and those kids consistently score at the top of the standardized tests in those states.
On the other hand, students whose parents do not value or support education are relatively unteachable no matter what you do, so the quality of the teacher is largely irrelevant to them as well.
Teachers of average students in an American society that has bought into public, universal, mass compulsory education are basically babysitters.
There are exceptions for teachers teaching AP or advanced classes, but again, the teacher doesn't have to be an exceptional teacher, just competent, because the students are motivated. They need to be well versed in the subject matter, but they don't need to be great at teaching it. Just competent.
Teaching is not worth much because the skills set required to perform adequately in that context is abundant.
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Posted on 7/8/26 at 3:22 am to JJ27
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Coaches are there 12 months out of the year, it never ends. They truly deserve exponentially more money.
You want to pay school employees more because they take on a task that has nothing to do with education?
Posted on 7/8/26 at 4:22 am to Gee Grenouille
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So they can retire at 53 with 30 years, and bring in 50k a year till they’re fricking dead.
Yep. A teacher with a decent state pension is pretty much already a millionaire right now in the same sense that someone is a millionaire if they have over a million in their retirement account…lots of flexibility for teachers once they turn 52-55 if they can make it that long
Posted on 7/8/26 at 4:27 am to JJ27
Yeah the pay of being a teacher sucks, but the schedule while having a family can’t be beat. Off all holidays, off for the summer, you don’t have to worry about getting people to watch your kids.
It’s about more than money sometimes
It’s about more than money sometimes
Posted on 7/8/26 at 5:30 am to LemmyLives
They need to add OT and PT to that list. They should never require a doctorate for those degrees.
They come out making <80k a year for >120k in debt typically.
They come out making <80k a year for >120k in debt typically.
This post was edited on 7/8/26 at 5:32 am
Posted on 7/8/26 at 5:40 am to LemmyLives
Well, those jobs definitely need to happen for the sake of our existence as a society so I wouldn’t $hit on it too much. Yes, they may not pay the most, but it is one of the most important professions. They do get all the major holidays off and a full 2 months off in the summer so there’s some relevance of lesser pay because of that. I would encourage that if being an educator is someone’s passion, then go do it. Get the additional degrees that might get you more salary (phd, graduate, etc).
Posted on 7/8/26 at 6:02 am to LemmyLives
I member seeing these graphs 30 years ago. The careers haven't changed but the pay started in the 20ks
Posted on 7/8/26 at 6:08 am to LemmyLives
Mid-career median salaries.
How about posting starting salaries? I have the top 20 and bottom 20 starting salaries for majors posted in my high school science classes. There are none, none, above $30,000. Why pay $120,000 for a four year degree at a state university to get a job that only pays $30,000?
How about posting starting salaries? I have the top 20 and bottom 20 starting salaries for majors posted in my high school science classes. There are none, none, above $30,000. Why pay $120,000 for a four year degree at a state university to get a job that only pays $30,000?
Posted on 7/8/26 at 6:39 am to Gee Grenouille
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The pay ain’t bad.
Teachers in most states have a built in salary schedule that rises with additional education.
Also, if a teacher is worth a shite, they can apply to districts that offer stipends.
And a teacher can get nationally board certified for an additional $5000/year.
In Alabama, year 12 with a bachelor’s degree makes $54k/year.
In my district, year 12 with an EdD and national boards makes $87k/year.
Many universities around the country offer a 5th year master’s program. This is where a student earns a bachelor’s in a subject—say English—and then takes an additional year of education courses to get a master’s. There are many online programs that are cheap to get an EdD, and it takes around three years for around $30k.
I would advise any new teacher to follow that plan.
Posted on 7/8/26 at 6:56 am to Deplorableinohio
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Why pay $120,000 for a four year degree at a state university to get a job that only pays $30,000?
The participants of the College Industrial Complex don't want the money printer turned off?
Posted on 7/8/26 at 6:59 am to DavidTheGnome
If you're not looking at ROI, you deserve a Darwin award.
Posted on 7/8/26 at 7:40 am to LemmyLives
I’d say if they just looked at the available undergrad degrees from NYU or Columbia this list could be 50 things long
Posted on 7/8/26 at 7:44 am to LemmyLives
Time for the monthly, "Let's complain about teachers" thread
Posted on 7/8/26 at 7:49 am to StringedInstruments
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Teachers in most states have a built in salary schedule that rises with additional education
Ah yes, that $500 pay increase and if I want to tack on another 10k in debt I can get a Master's degree that will earn me an additional 1500 a year.
quote:let's drive an hour away to another district for that additional 500-1000 a year stipend.
Also, if a teacher is worth a shite, they can apply to districts that offer stipends
quote:no longer offered in many districts in Louisiana and it's only a 2500 increase in pay
And a teacher can get nationally board certified for an additional $5000/year.
quote:12 years with a bachelor's in Louisiana best district (Ascension) is 59k
In Alabama, year 12 with a bachelor’s degree makes $54k/year.
Add a masters it is 60k, add a +30 it is 60.4k, make it a doctorate it is 62.5k
This post was edited on 7/8/26 at 7:50 am
Posted on 7/8/26 at 7:56 am to wackatimesthree
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The fact is that teaching regular, average students is not that hard, provided that your students have parents who support their learning.
Thank you for the laugh!
This just isn’t the reality in 2026 for a huge portion of teachers.
This post was edited on 7/8/26 at 7:57 am
Posted on 7/8/26 at 8:20 am to LemmyLives
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College majors that pay poorly.
Most of them. You could argue many college degree programs are a scam.
Posted on 7/8/26 at 8:27 am to kywildcatfanone
They are at best, a very poor investment. My wife probably spent more on college than she's earned in paychecks since graduating.
Fine arts education is a staple of wealth and first world existence so it doesnt need to die and go away or anything, but intelligent people would do well to leave that kind of stuff to wealthy people who can afford to spend a couple hundred stacks on a kids education just for the sake of saying they have one. Middle class people going to college for pointless degrees is a tremendous drain on the middle class.
A shitload of these kids need to be going to trade school, the military, or work right after high-school.
Fine arts education is a staple of wealth and first world existence so it doesnt need to die and go away or anything, but intelligent people would do well to leave that kind of stuff to wealthy people who can afford to spend a couple hundred stacks on a kids education just for the sake of saying they have one. Middle class people going to college for pointless degrees is a tremendous drain on the middle class.
A shitload of these kids need to be going to trade school, the military, or work right after high-school.
This post was edited on 7/8/26 at 8:29 am
Posted on 7/8/26 at 8:40 am to Jake88
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It's telling of how easy it is to get that degree.
I'm going to agree here. Just look at most college class schedules. For almost every subject matter there is a Statistics for Educators, Microbiology for Educators, Organic Chem for Educators, etc.... These are all more forgiving than the regular class.
Posted on 7/8/26 at 8:43 am to LemmyLives
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Don't say your kids (especially daughters, given the list) didn't know ahead of time.
Dumbass teachers are still going to complain.
Posted on 7/8/26 at 8:45 am to PCRammer
One thing about education is they need to specialize, if you want to be a history teacher get a history degree, etc. that way it isn't like a general studies degree that anyone could get. Instead they are trying to remove the one thing (Praxis) that separates teachers from just anyone else. Once they successfully remove that then teachers will have no leg to stand on for raises as there are no certifications to separate from someone with just a degree.
They've already lowered the standard where they are allowing those with two year degrees into teaching programs.
They've already lowered the standard where they are allowing those with two year degrees into teaching programs.
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