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re: Cleopatra reconstruction based on her portrait from Heracleanum and a bust of her

Posted on 2/14/23 at 7:11 pm to
Posted by RollTide1987
Baltimore, MD
Member since Nov 2009
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Posted on 2/14/23 at 7:11 pm to
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With a nose like that, I’m surprised she was unable to sniff out Octavian’s plot.


She knew well enough what Octavian was capable of. She thought she could charm him just like she charmed Julius Caesar and Mark Antony before him. Octavian was a different sort of creature altogether who could not be charmed by someone who he considered a whore.
Posted by Poker_hog
Member since Mar 2019
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Posted on 2/14/23 at 7:15 pm to
Posted by Jim Rockford
Member since May 2011
105286 posts
Posted on 2/14/23 at 7:15 pm to
Henry VIII was morbidly obese. All the Hapsburgs had a weird jawline that came from intermarrying with each other. George III was most likely a paranoid schizophrenic. And most of the Roman Emperors were completely fricked in the head. Pick whoever you believe is the worst president we've ever have and he's infinitely better than a typical preindustrial monarch.
Posted by BigAppleTiger
New York City
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Posted on 2/14/23 at 7:18 pm to
There can be only one.















Posted by Inadvertent Whistle
Atlanta, GA
Member since Nov 2015
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Posted on 2/14/23 at 7:19 pm to


Looks like Adam Driver a Kylo Ren.
Posted by QuietTiger
New Orleans
Member since Dec 2003
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Posted on 2/14/23 at 7:22 pm to
How does her asp look?
Posted by aTmTexas Dillo
East Texas Lake
Member since Sep 2018
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Posted on 2/14/23 at 7:24 pm to
You get some of this from Royalty Now Studios?
Posted by Amadeo
Member since Jan 2004
4893 posts
Posted on 2/14/23 at 7:25 pm to
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She knew well enough what Octavian was capable of. She thought she could charm him just like she charmed Julius Caesar and Mark Antony before him. Octavian was a different sort of creature altogether who could not be charmed by someone who he considered a whore.

He then declared her an enemy of Rome when in 30 BC her next move was suicide . It was perhaps the first recorded instance of pussy actually taking the L.
Posted by AUstar
Member since Dec 2012
19613 posts
Posted on 2/14/23 at 7:28 pm to
I enjoy these reconstructions. The Greeks and Romans left many very detailed busts of their leaders.

Here's Alexander the Great based on two different statues.

Statue 1:



Statue 2:



Literary sources described Alexander as being on the blonde side of hair color. Some sources described him as having one blue and one brown eye (a condition known as heterochromia). The 2nd drawing depicts him this way.


Augustus Caesar - 1st Emperor of Rome (was described as blonde by people who knew him):



Julius Caesar:



Mark Antony (relative of Julius Caesar):



Roman emperor Hostilian:



Roman Emperor Nero (was described in literature as red haired):



And we have to include Caligula because he's "just here for the gang bang."

Posted by Cymry Teigr
Member since Sep 2012
2138 posts
Posted on 2/14/23 at 7:35 pm to
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Heracleanum


Did you mean Herculaneum as in the village by Vesuvius? Or is there a portrait made from the iris plant Xiphion Heracleanum?
Posted by TBoy
Kalamazoo
Member since Dec 2007
28570 posts
Posted on 2/14/23 at 7:45 pm to
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She was Greek.

I dated a Greek post grad student at LSU. Large nose, large bones, and more thick, coarse hair than my dog. Great woman.
Posted by Amadeo
Member since Jan 2004
4893 posts
Posted on 2/14/23 at 7:46 pm to
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I enjoy these reconstructions.

My favorite is 3D sculptor Hadi Karimi's reconstruction of Mozart inspired by authentic portraits and contemporary descriptions of him. He was believed to be no taller than 4'11".

Posted by blueboy
Member since Apr 2006
65349 posts
Posted on 2/14/23 at 7:49 pm to
All signs point to her beauty being purely fictional, maybe even a reverse nickname that people started taking seriously at some point.

Here's a coin that was minted when she was alive.

Posted by Upshift Downshift
Red Stick
Member since Feb 2022
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Posted on 2/14/23 at 7:49 pm to
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Bama and Beer


Posted by efrad
Member since Nov 2007
18704 posts
Posted on 2/14/23 at 7:50 pm to
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Did you mean Herculaneum as in the village by Vesuvius? Or is there a portrait made from the iris plant Xiphion Heracleanum?



I was wondering the same. I did a search for "Heracleanum" and found this exact thread with the same mistake posted a year ago on Reddit. Go figure.
Posted by ibldprplgld
Member since Feb 2008
27770 posts
Posted on 2/14/23 at 7:52 pm to
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Here's a coin that was minted when she was alive.


Wooof. My God that’s an unfortunate looking woman…
Posted by Junky
Louisiana
Member since Oct 2005
9226 posts
Posted on 2/14/23 at 8:06 pm to
Most all of these make sense....except this one. The nose on the color reconstruction is way off, eyes are too narrow, mouth too wide. The statue on the right is more along the lines of the other two reconstructions.
Posted by SloaneRanger
Upper Hurstville
Member since Jan 2014
13777 posts
Posted on 2/14/23 at 8:09 pm to
Cleopatra in the series Rome was fire.
Posted by chRxis
None of your fricking business
Member since Feb 2008
27926 posts
Posted on 2/14/23 at 8:15 pm to
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My God that’s an unfortunate looking woman…

Cleopatra wasn't really as "beautiful" as recent movies would like to have you believe... years and years of inbreeding and incest by the Ptolemaic dynasty, in an effort to keep their bloodlines "pure"... she was more known for her charm than her looks... and while she may not have been downright ugly as frick, nor was she of surpassing beauty, she was more known for being of superior intellect than looks...
This post was edited on 2/14/23 at 8:17 pm
Posted by AUriptide
Member since Aug 2009
7459 posts
Posted on 2/14/23 at 8:22 pm to
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