re: Cincinnati Police arrest man for not answering questions on sidewalk

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Context please

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If the cop can pass the very low bar of having reasonable suspicion that you are, just did, or maybe are about to do anything illegal, you have to ID yourself (and, if driving, provide documentation related to that like registration etc). That sort of thing.

People who don’t deal with this regularly or who aren’t lawyers hang a lot on the reasonable suspicion angle—but it’s not a high bar, at all. To the point it’s almost meaningless as a standard.

99.99999% of the suits resulting from these first amendment auditor losers get tossed quickly, or get tiny nuisance settlements.

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I'm sure he will get paid with no admission of wrong doing from the police. Make of that what you will.

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Generally, that’s a settlement simply because it’s cheaper for the city to throw him a couple bucks as opposed to paying their outside counsel ten grand to get the suit tossed out.

The ol’ cost of defense business decision. Insurance companies do it hundreds of times a day.

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And was arrested unlawfully

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If they want to detain or arrest you, they'll think of a reason. It just works that way, like it or not.

It may not stick but they'll goad you into something if that's what they want, guilty or not.

No supervisor has ever rolled up the scene, admitted a mistake, and then released the arrestee.

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acting suspicious around a bank to the point that it draws the interest of security and gets police involved should mean that the police were 100% able to reasonably articulate their suspicions.

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Yes. He asked how many ppl worked there and where the vault is and to jump on their wifi.

Cops were in the right, but often times are not.
I don’t like to side with cops, generally, but these first amendment auditors keep frickin around.

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99.99999% of the suits resulting from these first amendment auditor losers get tossed quickly

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You just made this shite up .., the two from EBR Parish I know of both were settled out of court…

I am 110% positive he was unlawfully arrested and trust me.

This is a fact!

He will get paid and unfortunately they will not be fired.

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But no, the reality is these administrations see the grain of truth in the suit and decide it isn't worth the risk.

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An incredibly small percentage of them? Yes.

Most? No. It’s just nuisance. Legal fees have gone insane like the cost of everything else. It’s literally cheaper to give a wacko $10,000 than to pay some large firm to deal with 18 months of federal litigation, motions, and appeals.

No one at any level takes the suits seriously on their merits. Not the judges, the public entities, or any of the lawyers involved.

If he is asking about the # of employees and layout of the bank, then I would say YES there is reasonable articulate evidence that he is about to commit a crime.

He has every right to video on a public sidewalk. I’ll even go so far as to say he has the right to video through the windows. The bank has the duty to close their windows, if they do not want someone videoing the inside of the facility from the public space. But I would think he crossed the line with those types of questions.

If local police departments have not trained their officers how to deal with these 1A auditors, shame on them. They have been around long enough that there should be training, to prevent them from getting the municipality in trouble.

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And the hundreds you never learned about because they didn’t get past a Rule 12 motion?

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How does that apply here if the guy was arrested???… put forth some evidence where a rule 12 motion can be applied in this case or any case where someone’s illegally arrested and the court decides the court has no standing in the matter?? What’s the other remedy besides said court?