re: Cincinnati Police arrest man for not answering questions on sidewalk

You guys are completely misunderstanding Reasonable Articulable Suspicion and Probable Cause.

Reasonable Articulable Suspicion is the threshold for them stopping him and IDing him, but not for arresting him. He was not arrested based on RAS.

Probable Cause is the threshold for arresting him. He was arrested based on PC.

Asking the questions he asked is the clear definition of Reasonable Articulable Suspicion.

His questions - how many people work here? and where is the vault located? - raised the suspicions of the bank security guard (a reasonable person)...so much so that he called the f'n police.

The police arrived under those facts and circumstances and had every right to stop and engage with him. They also have the right to ID him. He is required by law to ID himself. He did not. THAT is the Probable Cause for the arrest, NOT his original questions/behavior.

Had he ID'd himself, they would have had no PC for an arrest because his initial actions were not illegal. But he did not, which was illegal, and therefore they did.

Bottom Line:

A reasonable person found his actions to be suspicious (a crime is being or about to be committed). That person called the police, who arrived under those already established facts and circumstances.

If RAS exists (it clearly did), THEN the police had a right to ID him and he is required by law to ID himself. His refusal to do so, under those already established facts and circumstances which rose to the level of Reasonable Articulable Suspicion, was a violation of the law...therefore, Probable Cause to arrest was established and he was hooked up.

This one isn't controversial in the least. Had he ID'd himself and still been arrested based on his original suspicious behavior, then no Probable Cause would have existed and he would be 100% in the right. But that's not what happened.

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If there is reasonable articulatable evidence that he's committing a crime or about to commit a crime, they can make him identify.

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I would suggest that asking bank employee how many people were working and where was location of the vault would be reasonable enough suspicion that he may be about to commit a crime.

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I mean if this dingus was really asking where the vault was and how many people worked in the bank that's suspicious AF and he deserved it...

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You can’t arrest somebody because you think he may commit a crime. If the cops are suspicious that he may rob the bank then the cops can sit outside and watch the bank and if he robs it, then arrest him.

Until then, just watch him and see what he does. It’s called policing….not arresting.

Here’s your speeding ticket sir. But I wasnt speeding. I know but youre in a fast car and may speed in the future.

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Cincinnati Police arrest man for not answering questions on sidewalk

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Gotta side with the police on this one. He was filming the inside of a bank while asking the security guard how many employees were inside and where the vault is, then acted like he couldn't figure out why the police questioned him about it.

They had more than enough reason to believe he was casing the bank.

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1st amendment auditors are morons

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They act like the government cares more about picking our pockets and controlling us than respecting our rights. Daddy government would never do us wrong. I guess those fools don’t appreciate the taste of boots.

I go to enough Reds and Bengals games that I support the Cincinnati police doing whatever they need to in order to clean up the proverbial trash on their streeta downtown. It's a hassle some nights.

The hand wringing over this as if the police stop and frisked this guy completely unsolicited is horseshite. No one wants an unchecked police state. That's not what this is. He was baiting and filming, then he wants to cry wolf. frick him.

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I go to enough Reds and Bengals games that I support the Cincinnati police doing whatever they need to in order to clean up the proverbial trash on their streeta downtown. It's a hassle some nights.

The hand wringing over this as if the police stop and frisked this guy completely unsolicited is horseshite. No one wants an unchecked police state. That's not what this is. He was baiting and filming, then he wants to cry wolf. frick him.

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Always good to know the resident bootlickers,if only for the numbers.

Until You need one .............