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China monitors citizens and penalizes bad social behavior

Posted on 4/25/18 at 7:40 am
Posted by Mike da Tigah
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Posted on 4/25/18 at 7:40 am
Putting the “I” in Invasive

Next time someone say China has changed, show them this.


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By 2020, China plans to give all its 1.4 billion citizens a personal score based on how they behave. Some with low scores are already being punished if they want to travel. Nearly 11 million Chinese are not allowed to fly and 4 million are barred from trains. Next week, the program will start expanding nationwide.

The government says it is trying to "purify" society by rewarding people who are trustworthy and punishing those who are not, reports CBS News correspondent Ben Tracy. So like the credit scores most Americans have based on how they handle their finances, Chinese citizens are getting a social credit score based on everything from whether they pay their taxes on time to how they cross the street to what they post online.

When Liu Hu recently tried to book a flight, he was told he was banned from flying because he was on the list of untrustworthy people. Liu is a journalist who was ordered by a court to apologize for a series of tweets he wrote and was then told his apology was insincere.

"I can't buy property. My child can't go to a private school," Liu said. "You feel you're being controlled by the list all the time."

The list is now getting longer as every Chinese citizen is being assigned a social credit score, a fluctuating rating based on a range of behaviors. It's believed that community service and buying Chinese-made products can raise your score. Fraud, tax evasion and smoking in non-smoking areas can drop it. If a score gets too low, a person can be banned from buying plane and train tickets, real estate, cars and even high-speed internet.

"It's a good thing," one Chinese woman said. "There should be punishment for people who can't behave."

China's growing network of surveillance cameras makes all of this possible. The country already has an estimated 176 million cameras. It plans to have more than 600 million installed by 2020.




Posted by Pecker
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Posted on 4/25/18 at 7:42 am to
Well they're communist so...
Posted by TigrrrDad
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Posted on 4/25/18 at 7:43 am to
I think I saw a Black Mirror episode about this....
Posted by Sao
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Posted on 4/25/18 at 7:43 am to
Posted by Displaced
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Posted on 4/25/18 at 7:44 am to
Black mirror has an episode about this.

ETA: what they said ^^
This post was edited on 4/25/18 at 7:45 am
Posted by Jon Ham
Member since Jun 2011
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Posted on 4/25/18 at 7:44 am to
You’re not my dad, Chinese Government! You can’t tell me what to do!
Posted by Mike da Tigah
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Member since Feb 2005
58890 posts
Posted on 4/25/18 at 7:44 am to
I wonder what our American commies who glorify the merits of communism think of it.
Posted by Salmon
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Posted on 4/25/18 at 7:47 am to
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Ken DeWoskin, who has studied China's economic and political culture for more than three decades, said the way the new scoring system truly works is kept secret and could be easily abused by the government.


no shite
Posted by upgrayedd
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Member since Mar 2013
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Posted on 4/25/18 at 7:52 am to
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I wonder what our American commies who glorify the merits of communism think of it.


There are a bunch of college kids that think it's possible to celebrate everyone's uniqueness and individuality in a communist society
Posted by Tigertown in ATL
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Posted on 4/25/18 at 7:53 am to
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wonder what our American commies who glorify the merits of communism think of it.


The PC police are taking us this direction, so I’m sure they are fine with it.

Free speech and thought is good as long as they agree with it.
Posted by DirtyMikeandtheBoys
Member since May 2011
19422 posts
Posted on 4/25/18 at 7:53 am to
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China monitors citizens and penalizes bad social behavior


And the USA doesn't do this?

Have you not been paying attention to the news/social media for the last few years?
Posted by jbgleason
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Member since Mar 2012
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Posted on 4/25/18 at 7:57 am to
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"It's a good thing," one Chinese woman said. "There should be punishment for people who can't behave."


This lady’s score just went up.
Posted by Sasquatch Smash
Member since Nov 2007
24033 posts
Posted on 4/25/18 at 7:58 am to
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I think I saw a Black Mirror episode about this....


There was something similar on an episode of Seth MacFarlane's show, "The Orville."

People were actually put to death based on dislikes vs. likes.
Posted by TheHarahanian
Actually not Harahan as of 6/2023
Member since May 2017
19523 posts
Posted on 4/25/18 at 8:00 am to
Ah, so.

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"It's a good thing," one Chinese woman said. "There should be punishment for people who can't behave."


This post was edited on 4/25/18 at 8:07 am
Posted by Upperdecker
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Posted on 4/25/18 at 8:04 am to
Bet there’s a lot less trashy shite happening in China than in Alabama though
Posted by Mike da Tigah
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Posted on 4/25/18 at 8:05 am to
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Bet there’s a lot less trashy shite happening in China than in Alabama though


Well, there you go. I knew it was only a matter of time.
Posted by StupidBinder
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Member since Oct 2017
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Posted on 4/25/18 at 8:10 am to
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And the USA doesn't do this?

Have you not been paying attention to the news/social media for the last few years?


To an extent, yes. But the difference is that it’s not an Uber-powerful, unchecked government doing it.

If an entity in the US wanted to, say, come up with a metric based on social media to grade people, I really don’t see a problem with that because you can always opt out.
Posted by TheHarahanian
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Member since May 2017
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Posted on 4/25/18 at 8:12 am to
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because you can always opt out


Federal income tax. Social Security. Obamacare until this year.
Posted by DirtyMikeandtheBoys
Member since May 2011
19422 posts
Posted on 4/25/18 at 8:12 am to
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But the difference is that it’s not an Uber-powerful, unchecked government doing it.


You don't consider facebook and google to be uber powerful unchecked governments? You sir, are a moron.
Posted by Evil Little Thing
Member since Jul 2013
11229 posts
Posted on 4/25/18 at 8:13 am to
We’re all screwed if the US does this & looks at our tigerdroppings histories.
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