re: CDC Still Claim Vaccine is 2x More Effective Than Natural Immunity (Israel Report Ignored)

To have natural immunity you have to get covid. I'd just a soon not.

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Myocarditis was originally used to fear monger with COVID.

Now its being used to fear monger with the vaccines.

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As opposed to the fear mongering about the virus with the 99+% survival rate being so dangerous?

Or the fear mongering that anyone un-vaccinated is such a danger to those already vaccinated?

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And it wasn't used for the first SARS or MERS specifically because it caused dangerous over reactions from the immune system.

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This is false.

It never completed trials because we never had enough participants for SARS and MERS.

CDC is full of shite..

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To have natural immunity you have to get covid. I'd just a soon not.

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Cool. Lucky for you there are 3 vaccines available.

Have you seen who is in charge at CDC?

The Kentucky study was closer to a post hoc analysis. I tried to look at this on phone when it came out, and it’s ridiculous to get so much press and the kind of mentions it gets. (Also being a pdf and splitting page in half while Zooming in i found myself forgetting to scroll to side first at end of page many times, so i probably missed stuff for either side)

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Kentucky residents aged =18 years with SARS-CoV-2 infection confirmed by positive nucleic acid amplification test (NAAT) or antigen test results† reported in Kentucky’s National Electronic Disease Surveillance System (NEDSS) during March–December 2020 were eligible for inclusion… Overall, 246 case-patients met eligibility requirements and were successfully matched by age, sex, and date of initial infec- tion with 492 controls. Among the population included in the analysis, 60.6% were female, and 204 (82.9%) case-patients were initially infected during October–December 2020

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It also picked reinfections for a set time frame - May 1st to June 30th - before Delta took over. Considering reinfected numbers are just at 246 in this it has possibility of some large listed limitations especially ones in bold.

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First, reinfection was not confirmed through whole genome sequencing, which would be necessary to definitively prove that the reinfection was caused from a distinct virus rela- tive to the first infection. Although in some cases the repeat positive test could be indicative of prolonged viral shedding or failure to clear the initial viral infection (9), given the time between initial and subsequent positive molecular tests among participants in this study, reinfection is the most likely explana- tion. Second, persons who have been vaccinated are possibly less likely to get tested. Therefore, the association of reinfec- tion and lack of vaccination might be overestimated. Third, vaccine doses administered at federal or out-of-state sites are not typically entered in KYIR, so vaccination data are pos- sibly missing for some persons in these analyses. In addition, inconsistencies in name and date of birth between KYIR and NEDSS might limit ability to match the two databases.

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Additional unlisted limitations
- if Kentucky was like rest of country through at least fall up to fall of 2020 then some of the 17.1% positives before October 2020 were just possibly picking up virus fragments and not true infections (they are just looking back at data after the fact). This increases or decreases based on how long Kentucky was going to 40 cycle threshold.

-This like many also doesn’t confirm initial positive spurred antibodies.

-Not sure if listed as I don’t know much on databases used or when schools are out in Kentucky, but June in particular could have had positive tests for previously infected for both vaccinated and unvaccinated out of state that the databases used for data may not have gotten and/or had issues slowing down matching or even preventing matching up.

- Again it only looked at reinfections in May and June leaving out truer surge of delta infections which have been main source of breakthroughs starting in July. There has been more than enough time now to add July to this analysis.


Related to a listed limitation
-Given that vaccines opened up mostly in March and April to anyone over 18 I would think vaccinations in these months would include many previous positives still within surge of antibodies reacting to 1st and 2nd dose of vaccine in May and possibly in June who might be less susceptible for infection during part of time frame regardless of long term effects or vaccine immunity after surge levels out. These recently vaccinated would be even less likely to get tested in May and even in June than the usual caveat about the vaccinated being likely to be tested.

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May and June were selected because of vaccine supply and eligibility requirement considerations; this period was more likely to reflect resident choice to be vaccinated…

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I don’t really care about the natural immunity folks, it’s the vehement anti-vaxers who are the problem.

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I disagree. They can be anti-vax all they want, you can totally ignore them and still get the jab with no repercussions.

Pro mandate people are THE issue.

frick them.

The progressives and “above-the-fray!” moderates will be on here shilling for Bill Gates, Big Pharm, and the federal government — all while telling you you’re the one being selfish for not lining up for the showers. I mean, the shot.

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Then why aren’t we seeing variants or outbreaks of any of the diseases kids are commonly vaccinated for like measles and mumps?

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Because they are real vaccinations that prevent infection and transmission.

No transmission, no way to pass on any mutations.