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re: CDC releases new estimates of Coronavirus fatality rate
Posted on 5/22/20 at 10:21 am to The Spleen
Posted on 5/22/20 at 10:21 am to The Spleen
Honest question spleen
Do you truly believe the reason CV19 arrived to America is because a “gameplan” wasn’t followed?
We are now getting reports that it was spreading here in Dec 2019
I just think it is really absurd to think we could have “prevented” an outbreak here
Do you truly believe the reason CV19 arrived to America is because a “gameplan” wasn’t followed?
We are now getting reports that it was spreading here in Dec 2019
I just think it is really absurd to think we could have “prevented” an outbreak here
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Posted on 5/22/20 at 10:22 am to Senor Sandwich
quote:I do. If Chicken contacts me I'll send him my information and he can verify it.
How many of you guys making these definitive statements about COVID have even the slightest background in biology, biochemistry, medicine etc.?
This post was edited on 5/22/20 at 10:23 am
Posted on 5/22/20 at 10:22 am to marchballer
quote:
There was legit fear in January, February and March about what we were facing.
From drama queens.
Human traffickers at Walmart
Virus
Strange people walking through the neighborhood.
If it's not one thing, it's another.
Posted on 5/22/20 at 10:22 am to The Spleen
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The biggest failure in this whole ordeal is the lack of a rigorous testing, tracing, and isolating program nationwide
Yes, the biggest failure was not implementing procedures that take decades to develop and deploy. Testing was never relevant and never will be. Most of the social distancing was mostly irrelevant. The stay at home order was mostly irrelevant and counter productive. Only deaths mattered, and they aren't an never will be high enough to justify the past 2 months. Of course, the economic damage was secured on 3/15 so most of this discussion is slap fighting.
Posted on 5/22/20 at 10:23 am to HailHailtoMichigan!
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Honest question spleen
Do you truly believe the reason CV19 arrived to America is because a “gameplan” wasn’t followed?
C'mon man, you know his response this entire time would be a complete 180 if there were a democrat in the Whitehouse instead of Orange Bad Man. Then he'd just blame the Republican Senate and completely ignore the House.
Posted on 5/22/20 at 10:23 am to Senor Sandwich
So here’s my point. Just because you work at the plant, or you are an engineer or you own your business that you built from the ground up does not mean that you know the slightest thing about biology or diseases. Sorry, you aren’t as smart as you think you are and all truly competent and intelligent individuals defer to those with more knowledge about the subject at hand.
Posted on 5/22/20 at 10:23 am to Klark Kent
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This is incoherent rambling by a moron, but let me parse thru it. Some states are opening up because they have made the risk analysis on their own, not trying to earn points with the media, and are making the best decisions for their state with the #’s they have. Which means opening. And I’d urge you to show me the statistics on the “Wave 2” COVID 19 deaths and cases we were promised in States from list B.
I am not trying to dispute anything, but when it comes to these things, you can find something to justify your point. It's like religion. People can go to the bible to find something to justify a belief they have.
Same with politics. When something becomes a big news worthy story, there is the initial reaction then after that settles in, people start heading to their political side's corner. Like this board, when something happens its not hard to figure out what side the majority of the board will take. Its like it is programmed in people. Liberals and conservatives and because of that I would say you are morons.
Posted on 5/22/20 at 10:23 am to fallguy_1978
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The fact is that if you aren't 70+ and in reasonably decent health your survival changes are extremely high.
We should be 100% open.
This should be the end of the thread
Posted on 5/22/20 at 10:24 am to HailHailtoMichigan!
quote:
Do you truly believe the reason CV19 arrived to America is because a “gameplan” wasn’t followed?
Of course not. It would have come here regardless. My initial response was to someone saying these leaders should formulate a plan on how to respond to future pandemics. Bush and Obama both recognized the threat of potential pandemics and put resources in place to fight and respond to them. Were those plans perfect? Far from it.
quote:
I just think it is really absurd to think we could have “prevented” an outbreak here
I have never floated that thought. I do think better preparation, and more proactive response could have potentially limited the impact it has had.
This post was edited on 5/22/20 at 10:26 am
Posted on 5/22/20 at 10:25 am to QJenk
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I don't know how you can look at that # and brush it aside as no big deal
It’s not no big deal but with the exception of very few people (I’ve only seen one story coming from Michigan) nobody has died from lack of care.
Posted on 5/22/20 at 10:26 am to Senor Sandwich
quote:
Sorry, you aren’t as smart as you think you are and all truly competent and intelligent individuals defer to those with more knowledge about the subject at hand.
*laughs in Neil Ferguson*
Posted on 5/22/20 at 10:26 am to wutangfinancial
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Yes, the biggest failure was not implementing procedures that take decades to develop and deploy.
Didn't take South Korea, Germany, Singapore, and other countries a decade to develop and implement.
Posted on 5/22/20 at 10:27 am to ell_13
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My biggest takeaway from this shite is that propaganda works because there are too many naive dumbasses in the world
We have been conditioned to let emotions dictate decisions as opposed to critical thinking and facts.
Posted on 5/22/20 at 10:27 am to WaWaWeeWa
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0.87% over 65 0.134% 50-65 0.033% under 50
I wonder if the CDC is saying this would be the IFR of people infected NOW (May/June 2020), not necessarily the IFR from the February/March infections. This would explain the following:
1) The higher IFR's seen in the places with the all-out earlier outbreak (Spain/Italy/UK)
2) The same with the earlier US outbreaks (NYC - 0.19% of the total population, 0.24% of the Bronx; NOLA - 0.13% of the population, Jefferson Parish - 0.1% of the population).
This would be conducive to say, a 0.5% (and maybe a bit higher IFR) on the initial outbreak, but with 2 months of improvements in treatment knowledge we're able to whittle that down to an estimated 0.26% now. Treatment improvements include smarter use of ventilators, proning, and Remedisvir.
This post was edited on 5/22/20 at 10:29 am
Posted on 5/22/20 at 10:29 am to Senor Sandwich
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This post was edited on 6/9/20 at 1:13 pm
Posted on 5/22/20 at 10:30 am to saint tiger225
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Idiots have no clue. I tried bringing up what printing excess money does to an economy and the idiots just couldn't understand. And nevermind the fact that people will continue to lose their jobs already, and even more so if we stayed shut down. They're truly a l naive and stupid group of people.
Posted on 5/22/20 at 10:30 am to Senor Sandwich
quote:
Sorry, you aren’t as smart as you think you are and all truly competent and intelligent individuals defer to those with more knowledge about the subject at hand.
What about when those experts aren’t in complete agreement?
What if we defer to them for the inputs into our decision, but then use reasoned arguments and value judgments to decide for ourselves the best way to proceed?
Knowledge of biology wasn’t the only thing required to make a decision that so significantly impacted the global economy for years to come.
Posted on 5/22/20 at 10:30 am to Oilfieldbiology
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Fear clouds judgement. Fear forces you to make bad decisions. We shouldn’t allow fear to dictate policy
"Fear is the mind killer."
Posted on 5/22/20 at 10:31 am to Centinel
Oh wait. So you have all the answers because of your gut feeling? Impressive!
Posted on 5/22/20 at 10:31 am to WaWaWeeWa
Who cares now, the damage is already done.
Globalists won.
Globalists won.
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