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re: CDC now says coronavirus 'does not spread easily' via contaminated surfaces

Posted on 5/20/20 at 7:01 pm to
Posted by Clark14
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Member since Dec 2014
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Posted on 5/20/20 at 7:01 pm to
I believe some folks think this virus came with specific instructions on how it works and how to deal with it and that the CDC is just ignoring it to stick it their political favorite.

I'm sick of conspiracies.They are for sheep.
Posted by tiger91
In my own little world
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Posted on 5/20/20 at 7:16 pm to
Do we believe she didn’t leave herhome for three weeks?
Posted by Hangit
The Green Swamp
Member since Aug 2014
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Posted on 5/20/20 at 7:45 pm to
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but better information being used doesn't negate all information from that source or make the change inherently malicious.


It is all aboot he boy who cried wolf. Spreading BS as fact and having billions of people affected by it steals all credibility.

If I tell You "OK, Susy-Q. you have breast cancer" and we act on it by removing it, we all feel good. Now, next week the labs come back and Whoops! You were healthy. Now repeat this repeatedly, then explain to me why you would trust me to be your Dr.

My new info may say that you have high blood pressure and need to take a daily pill. Are you skeptical?

Are you now able to understand why everybody gives them the stink eye when they, yet again, turn 180 on something?
Posted by Slagathor
Makin' jokes about your teeny tiny
Member since Jul 2007
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Posted on 5/20/20 at 7:52 pm to
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If you have incomplete data that produces models calling for extreme outlier results, how about not using that data to implement draconian measures that ruined tens of millions of lives. And definitely don’t go on all of the major tv networks touting the results produced from this incomplete data.


Don’t act on incomplete data but do go by a single model? Even though at that point we were still learning not only how infectious it is, but how it affected people?

I’m not saying that I think the current measures should all still be in place, but changing guidelines as new info becomes available is appropriate. I think that’s how we’re failing now, but not necessarily back then.
Posted by cable
Member since Oct 2018
9735 posts
Posted on 5/20/20 at 7:52 pm to
A month ago the claim was that the virus could live on a cellphone for a week-and-a-half. I can't keep up with all the claims and backpedaling that has gone on with this. The "experts" were clueless in the beginning of this and they made wild claims to support the draconian measures that were taken. When we revisit this I think there are going to be a lot of questions that need to be answered so this never happens again.
Posted by LegendInMyMind
Member since Apr 2019
76182 posts
Posted on 5/20/20 at 7:55 pm to
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So you're saying I can throw away my 2000 pack of surgical gloves?

Hell no, I use them all the time in the shop. As long as they are at least large and powder free, send them to me.
Posted by Breesus
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Posted on 5/20/20 at 8:08 pm to
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A month ago the claim was that the virus could live on a cellphone for a week-and-a-half


Three months ago every democratic politician in DC and many democratic governors and mayors were calling trump a racist for his travel ban and encouraging people to eat at Chinese restaurants and hug Chinese people and travel to China.
Posted by wm72
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Posted on 5/20/20 at 8:15 pm to
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the CDC is just ignoring it to stick it their political favorite.



Robert R. Redfield, current Director of the CDC

"He was nominated for the post by President Donald Trump, after the President's first appointee resigned in scandal. His nomination was considered controversial, and was opposed by the Center for Science in the Public Interest, which cited Redfield's lack of experience administering a public health agency, his history of scientific misconduct, and his religious advocacy in response to a public health crisis."
Posted by Slagathor
Makin' jokes about your teeny tiny
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Posted on 5/20/20 at 8:15 pm to
I think more bad analogies and condescension miiight help me understand
Posted by Hangit
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Member since Aug 2014
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Posted on 5/20/20 at 8:31 pm to
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I think more bad analogies and condescension miiight help me understand


OK. If you are blindfolded and I tell you that you are getting a slice of the best Key lime ever, then shove a huge fork full of pecan pie in your face, wouldn't the initial shock value make you twinge just a little?

Well, Puddinhead... Wouldn't it?

Posted by Slagathor
Makin' jokes about your teeny tiny
Member since Jul 2007
39020 posts
Posted on 5/20/20 at 8:36 pm to
I asked and you delivered


But for the record, you’d have had no way of getting my best-ever world-famous amazing key lime pie without me knowing, so I’d have known you were full of crap before your silly pie switcheroo.
Posted by Open Your Eyes
Member since Nov 2012
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Posted on 5/21/20 at 11:23 am to
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Don’t act on incomplete data but do go by a single model?


Is this real life? The diamond princess data wasn’t a model. It was actual comprehensive data from a contained environment where the virus spread uninhibited for multiple days before anything was done. It is seemingly still the most complete data set that is available from this, outside of perhaps the naval vessels that did extensive testing and yielded very similar results.

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Even though at that point we were still learning not only how infectious it is,


I see you’re just another one of those people that have chosen to completely ignore the Diamond princess data, despite the fact that it’s proving to be more and more accurate to how covid is playing out in the real world as the “experts” continue “revising their models as more data becomes available”

The Diamond princess data yielded a 17% infection rate amongst all of 3000+ passengers and crew on the ship. These people were all breathing the same recycled air, throughout the ship, touching the same surfaces, interacting in close proximity with each other, etc. for days before a problem was realized.

17%. We knew plenty about how infectious it was on March 9. You and the vast majority of people, especially decision makers, just chose to ignore it for whatever reason.

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but changing guidelines as new info becomes available is appropriate.


Once again, when draconian measures that ruin tens of millions of lives are implemented based on extreme outlier models that are created based on incomplete data, this excuse is no longer valid. There are 30+ million unemployed people, untold numbers that have had “elective” medical procedures postponed indefinitely that will have significant negative consequences on their health, and plenty of other people severely impacted by your “guidelines can change with more data” nonsense that would agree with me.
Posted by baldona
Florida
Member since Feb 2016
24485 posts
Posted on 5/21/20 at 11:42 am to
The main issue is that everyone especially the MSM was running anything that was worst case scenario. No kids were being effected so anytime a kid was sick "with Covid" they were covered extensively.

The entire idea it was "spread through surfaces" was BS from the beginning. It was "FOUND" on hard surfaces a couple of days later, that didn't mean you could contract it from those same places. But that story was repeated over and over by the fricking media for views because scaring people causes viewership.
Posted by cable
Member since Oct 2018
9735 posts
Posted on 5/21/20 at 11:54 am to
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scaring people causes viewership.


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