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re: Causeway's $40M safety railings weren't installed correctly

Posted on 5/5/21 at 2:13 pm to
Posted by Meauxjeaux
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Posted on 5/5/21 at 2:13 pm to
I been saying this for months... 1 contract, 2 payments.. better than 2 girls, 1 cup.
Posted by The Boat
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Posted on 5/5/21 at 2:13 pm to
Makes me think of the rails on I-10 in Baton Rouge on the Perkins Rd overpass that are on backwards their whole life.
Posted by jamboybarry
Member since Feb 2011
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Posted on 5/5/21 at 2:15 pm to
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So we can expect the toll to increase yet again?


Tolls and crawfish prices goin up
Posted by deltaland
Member since Mar 2011
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Posted on 5/5/21 at 2:16 pm to



that’s priceless
Posted by Sao
East Texas Piney Woods
Member since Jun 2009
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Posted on 5/5/21 at 2:17 pm to
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Welcome to every project in Louisiana



Can I ask a question about this? Just want to be given the go ahead lol
Posted by LNCHBOX
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Posted on 5/5/21 at 2:18 pm to
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Can I ask a question about this? Just want to be given the go ahead lol


Well you've already asked one, why not another?
Posted by GumboPot
Member since Mar 2009
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Posted on 5/5/21 at 2:23 pm to
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But complications began almost as soon as the rail work began, Dufrechou said. The company's workers found that the original plans from the 1950s did not accurately reflect where in the existing concrete railing steel rods were located. Thus, when workers began to drill into what they expected was only concrete, they were often hitting steel as well and it was damaging drills and drill bits.


I mean, re-bar locations called out on plans are a general location within an inch or two. Re-bar tying crews are not going to get the re-bar locations exactly as call for on the plans. But they will install the correct number, size and configuration.

I'm surprised that this warning wasn't called out in the bidding document stating the contractors shall take into account the potential of having to drill through both concrete and steel.

Now the wrong lengths and wrong epoxy is totally on the contractor. Looks like they were trying to cut corners and got caught.
Posted by LSUFanHouston
NOLA
Member since Jul 2009
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Posted on 5/5/21 at 2:23 pm to
This is why I'm fine when out of state companies come here to do work. Because every single major contractor in this state is either corrupt and/or incompetent.

It's also why so many people are surprised at how quick the Amazon Cortana project is going. People aren't used to competence.
Posted by gumbo2176
Member since May 2018
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Posted on 5/5/21 at 2:24 pm to
At least the street won't flood.
Posted by Sao
East Texas Piney Woods
Member since Jun 2009
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Posted on 5/5/21 at 2:26 pm to

Projects and grift are rampant in LA. These stories are ever present.

Doesn't it bother anyone that throwing up hands instead of fighting it more than mask mandates is more popular?
Posted by Meauxjeaux
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Posted on 5/5/21 at 2:29 pm to
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But complications began almost as soon as the rail work began
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Later, when inspectors checked the installed railings, they found that some bolts used to anchor steel plates to the bridge were shorter than the design called for and an epoxy used also did not meet specifications


Funny how the problems started immediately but weren't found until the entire bridge was completed - both east and west side rails.

Then they get to go back and redo 46 miles of rail instead of 3-4 miles.

Posted by Meauxjeaux
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Posted on 5/5/21 at 2:31 pm to
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drove across it a few times last week. the damn guard rails are only 18" off the road surface at the most and will act more like a launching ramp in an accident rather then stopping a car from going over it. they are literally 6" lower then the older railings were and are at a cars bumper height and a truck would clear them completely with only the air dam hitting it as the truck flies off the road

instead of worrying about anchor bolt location maybe someone should consider WTF the railings are there for in the first place because they will no longer keep cars from going into the lake



Not sure what you drove across because this is the worst description of the new Causeway rails I've ever seen.
Posted by NewBR
Member since Sep 2008
768 posts
Posted on 5/5/21 at 2:32 pm to
I thought Carlton Dufrechou was an environmentalist with the Ponchartrian Basin Foundation. How does that qualify him to run a public works department with its own police force?
Posted by 3nOut
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Member since Jan 2013
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Posted on 5/5/21 at 2:36 pm to
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The lowest bidder, again.....lol



if JB James Construction is the same group that was James Construction and currently operates as PSC (Primoris Service Corp) then yes it's the lowest bidder and that whole company can GFT.

they constantly win low bids here in central Texas and suck donkey balls. TxDOT has done their best to make sure they don't win any bids, but they always find a way.
Posted by LNCHBOX
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Posted on 5/5/21 at 2:41 pm to
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drove across it a few times last week. the damn guard rails are only 18" off the road surface at the most and will act more like a launching ramp in an accident rather then stopping a car from going over it.


Pretty sure you're looking at an area where the new rail isn't installed yet. The new rails are considerably more stout than the old ones.
Posted by notiger1997
Metairie
Member since May 2009
61251 posts
Posted on 5/5/21 at 2:41 pm to
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So we can expect the toll to increase yet again?


Always.
They don't want to ever pay down the loan as it's much easier to just keep refinancing and taking care of their little kingdom they have going with the commission.
Posted by the4thgen
Dallas, tx
Member since Sep 2010
1849 posts
Posted on 5/5/21 at 2:42 pm to
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So the “as-builts” were more like an “as-designed”


I like that you think public work contractors in the 50's in Louisiana produced 'as-builts'. They are lucky to even have any of the original drawings still available.
Posted by WeeWee
Member since Aug 2012
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Posted on 5/5/21 at 2:43 pm to
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Causeway's $40M safety railings weren't installed correctly




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Later adjustments to the contract increased the price to around $40 million.




quote:

But complications began almost as soon as the rail work began, Dufrechou said. The company's workers found that the original plans from the 1950s did not accurately reflect where in the existing concrete railing steel rods were located. Thus, when workers began to drill into what they expected was only concrete, they were often hitting steel as well and it was damaging drills and drill bits.

Later, when inspectors checked the installed railings, they found that some bolts used to anchor steel plates to the bridge were shorter than the design called for and an epoxy used also did not meet specifications, Dufrechou said.


Posted by Sao
East Texas Piney Woods
Member since Jun 2009
68469 posts
Posted on 5/5/21 at 2:45 pm to
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Funny how the problems started immediately but weren't found until the entire bridge was completed - both east and west side rails.

Then they get to go back and redo 46 miles of rail instead of 3-4 miles.



That's the game. Underbid by a large margin then let the contract extend more state funds.

I don't like them, but y'all need an outfit like the NTTC. A private toll company who does all the work knowing their end game is toll money. Runs line a top.
Posted by LNCHBOX
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Posted on 5/5/21 at 2:46 pm to
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Projects and grift are rampant in LA. These stories are ever present.

Doesn't it bother anyone that throwing up hands instead of fighting it more than mask mandates is more popular?


I can only speak on my personal experiences, but yes that bothers me and my collogues a lot. It's not something we tolerate and combat as much as we can. I've had contractors try to pass off complicated solutions to problems at 10x the cost of what the eventual solution ended up being, as an example.

I would love to work for a few years in another state and see how the process works.
Anytime I try to envision honest work happening in major civil jobs, I just can't do it.
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