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re: Caught plagiarizing update

Posted on 10/31/17 at 1:32 pm to
Posted by S1C EM
Athens, GA
Member since Nov 2007
11594 posts
Posted on 10/31/17 at 1:32 pm to
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and maybe the student learned something.


His responses in this thread so far would indicate otherwise. Seems to have been a big injection of arrogance. Hopefully I'm wrong.
Posted by TxTiger82
Member since Sep 2004
34323 posts
Posted on 10/31/17 at 1:34 pm to
With regard to the OP, I agree. My student seemed genuinely regretful, as if she wasn't aware of the rules.

I guess I should have mentioned that she plagiarized me. Literally copied from an article I wrote.

So she was probably unaware that she was plagiarizing. No need to go through disciplinary hearings for that. More a teachable moment.
Posted by Tiguar
Montana
Member since Mar 2012
33131 posts
Posted on 10/31/17 at 1:36 pm to
Just save your money and go work for a union or something. Wasting your money and time going to college but not completing the activities.
Posted by HaveMercy
Member since Dec 2014
3000 posts
Posted on 10/31/17 at 1:38 pm to
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it didn't go through any sort of computer check site. The only way she found out was because my friend who I copied off of just so h aopened to have one of the best papers she'd ever gotten and she still had it saved on Her computer. It really helped that my friend was one of the best students she ever had. I think it made her think I was a really good student who just made a stupid decision


What in the hell are you talking about? Do you think that because the plagiarism was not detected through software that it wasn't actually plagiarism??

One thing I do know for certain is that you are NOT a really good student who just made a stupid decision. You are a lazy, frick-up. As others have stated you are lucky as hell and you don't seem to grasp that. Instead of being grateful and contrite, you are unrepentant and snide.
This post was edited on 10/31/17 at 1:39 pm
Posted by OMLandshark
Member since Apr 2009
117998 posts
Posted on 10/31/17 at 1:39 pm to
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You guys would be surprised. I'll just leave it at that.



It’s one thing to give a student you like a bump in GPA that clearly worked their arse off and needs the credit. There are also plenty of frick ups in good groups that the teacher knows about but go on to make a decent grade. But if a good student is thrown in a group of nothing but frick ups who don’t show up, then the teacher will often throw that student a bone and fry the rest of the group. This type of grading curb I think regularly goes on behind the scenes.

But a guy coming in and admitting point blank to plagiarizing the paper getting a redo for half credit? Get the frick out of here. There was at least a person or two in every class with a major paper that I was in that didn’t get turned over to the Dean but were given zeros for plagiarism. And now he’s bragging he’ll still cheat by getting others to write it for him. This teacher did a major disservice to this kid.
Posted by OMLandshark
Member since Apr 2009
117998 posts
Posted on 10/31/17 at 1:41 pm to
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I guess I should have mentioned that she plagiarized me. Literally copied from an article I wrote.

So she was probably unaware that she was plagiarizing. No need to go through disciplinary hearings for that. More a teachable moment.


That one I’d more blame on a bad high school that didn’t teach their students how to write a paper. I’d probably throw her a bone if she was a freshman or something like that.
Posted by TigerStripes06
SWLA
Member since Sep 2006
30032 posts
Posted on 10/31/17 at 1:44 pm to
How does she come to the conclusion that you care if you’re so lazy that you steal someone else’s work?
Posted by TxTiger82
Member since Sep 2004
34323 posts
Posted on 10/31/17 at 1:49 pm to
I'm just saying you'd be surprised how often this type of thing happens because it creates extra work for the prof.

1-Profs are extremely overworked, and disincentivitzed from doing things that create more work.
2-They are incentivized to care about research and disincentivized to care about teaching, esp. undergrad level teaching.
3-They are incentivized to get good student evals, which means being popular among students is more important than being a hard arse.

That's the truth. Even at Harvard. Hell especially at Harvard. The more research-heavy the university, the more true my statements are.
This post was edited on 10/31/17 at 1:51 pm
Posted by GEAUXT
Member since Nov 2007
30139 posts
Posted on 10/31/17 at 1:51 pm to
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Turn the same paper in again.




I actually lol'd
Posted by Hawgnsincebirth55
Gods country
Member since Sep 2016
17227 posts
Posted on 10/31/17 at 2:03 pm to
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See....you sounded so sincere about having "learned your lesson" before, but now I'm really getting that "my shite don't stink" vibe from you. Your instructor has done you a disservice.

I'm just messing with omlandshark
Posted by Hawgnsincebirth55
Gods country
Member since Sep 2016
17227 posts
Posted on 10/31/17 at 3:05 pm to
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I'm just saying you'd be surprised how often this type of thing happens because it creates extra work for the prof.

1-Profs are extremely overworked, and disincentivitzed from doing things that create more work.
2-They are incentivized to care about research and disincentivized to care about teaching, esp. undergrad level teaching.
3-They are incentivized to get good student evals, which means being popular among students is more important than being a hard arse
she also seemed really nice
Posted by HoLeInOnEr05
Middle of the fairway
Member since Aug 2011
16892 posts
Posted on 10/31/17 at 3:14 pm to
OP could fall in a barrel full of dicks and come out suckin his thumb! Unbelievable!

I failed my English Comp 2 class because I legitimately incorrectly cited two sentences in my paper. So the dick bag Prof said that I plagiarized, and gave me a zero on the paper.
Posted by sweetwaterbilly
Member since Mar 2017
19354 posts
Posted on 10/31/17 at 3:16 pm to
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especially one that cares as much as I seem to


You care so much that you plagiarized? Nice
Posted by Hawgnsincebirth55
Gods country
Member since Sep 2016
17227 posts
Posted on 10/31/17 at 3:27 pm to
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OP could fall in a barrel full of dicks and come out suckin his thumb! Unbelievable!
ain't it great!
Posted by CelticDog
Member since Apr 2015
42867 posts
Posted on 10/31/17 at 3:35 pm to
I had something similar. Technical foul. I got lazy as the paper went on and did not cite everything. Got a C. It was a miracle i even got out of high school.
Counselor said i was the classic underacheiver. 99%ile on junior merit test and needed big comebacks in physics and am history to even graduate. The c (plagerized by rule) was in english 101.
This post was edited on 10/31/17 at 3:37 pm
Posted by ZappBrannigan
Member since Jun 2015
7692 posts
Posted on 10/31/17 at 3:49 pm to
Which again I get but it's easy to cut the wheat from the chaff if just willing to follow the threads.

Obviously I'm not talking about a thesis, but your run of the mill arts or business paper is all easy to grab up. And with so many sources publishing data online it's a decent veneer to start from.

I'll always argue against direct use since Skeletor lurks.

Posted by Pectus
Internet
Member since Apr 2010
67302 posts
Posted on 10/31/17 at 3:55 pm to
Accepting another paper after the plagirized paper is a judgement call.

Hopefully the instructor knows their students.
Posted by Napoleon
Kenna
Member since Dec 2007
71003 posts
Posted on 10/31/17 at 3:57 pm to
For both I told them in an essay.
Posted by Jake88
Member since Apr 2005
75356 posts
Posted on 10/31/17 at 4:23 pm to
Clearly no lesson was learned.
Posted by Freezus22
Da Boot
Member since Aug 2016
1617 posts
Posted on 10/31/17 at 4:36 pm to
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I admitted that I copied and none of the blame should go on my friend that she was just trying to give me a guideline to use and in a moment of weakness and laziness I decided to copy her work as my own and that it is completely out of character and I would never do it again.

I see why you copied. This sentence is a a shite show.
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