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re: Carjackings in New Orleans are the worst in a decade.
Posted on 6/23/21 at 4:35 pm to NIH
Posted on 6/23/21 at 4:35 pm to NIH
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What training do you envision?
Last I heard, it costs around $10k per year per DOC inmate. I feel like we could accomplish some serious vocational training, GED, CDL, etc, etc, etc, for that kind of money.
But I’ll be honest that I’ve been a white collar professional my entire adult life. I’ll defer to people more knowledgeable on the subject than I am regarding the particulars. But again, $10k per person, and that’s just to break even. Lot of meat on that bone.
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Posted on 6/23/21 at 4:36 pm to Joshjrn
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Study after study has shown that incarceration, particularly of young people, increases recidivism rates, but sure, take your cheap swipes as though I give a shite
And recent data regarding the murder and crime rate within a multitude of cities shows thAt the opposite does not reduce recidivism.
As a matter of fact, with the fact that we are seeing rates at record levels, not incarcerating those individuals appears to have a significantly worse impact than incarcerating them.
I do not know if you support restorative justice or not, but it shows no improvement in crime rates/statistics.
Honestly, IMO, I support incarceration.
Posted on 6/23/21 at 4:38 pm to Junky
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You also assume criminals want to become productive members of society. The majority of the crime is committed by a very small percentage of the population. Some people don’t care about law and order.
The majority of violent crime is committed by a small percentage of the population. Considering the over-criminalization that has occurred in the last half century+, pretty much everyone is a criminal is some capacity.
Posted on 6/23/21 at 4:39 pm to Joshjrn
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But I’ll be honest that I’ve been a white collar professional my entire adult life.
I would think most of the criminals we are talking about here have reached a point where it is way too late for the types of things you are envisioning. And even if one concedes there could be a small percentage who would benefit from them, the problem lies in trying to separate those individuals from those for whom it would be a waste and who would do nothing but pose a greater danger to society in such attempts.
Posted on 6/23/21 at 4:39 pm to NIH
I'd imagine that I have a fairly good idea what the average profile looks like of the people who are committing most of the property and violent crime in BR. Most of them will never be rehabilitated.
They come from broken homes and neighborhoods and were never taught any values. Might we save 5 out of 100? Maybe, but the other 95 are going to be preying on innocent citizens when we let them out.
They come from broken homes and neighborhoods and were never taught any values. Might we save 5 out of 100? Maybe, but the other 95 are going to be preying on innocent citizens when we let them out.
Posted on 6/23/21 at 4:44 pm to Scruffy
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I do not know if you support restorative justice or not, but it shows no improvement in crime rates/statistics.
I actually just had to Google it to refresh my memory. And nah, not really my jam. Too touchy feely and not tangible enough.
My position on rehabilitation isn’t based on feels. It’s simply based on that sticking someone in a cage for a handful of years doesn’t accomplish anything beyond giving them a host of new friends with the same habits and lifestyles they were in. Probation and parole is currently underfunded and stretched too thin. Rehabilitation options in DOC is a joke. It’s just dead time.
And in my experience, not a single person I’ve ever represented in my near decade of practice gave a single thought to the possible sentence before committing a crime. Not one.
So sure, if you want to warehouse them for life, I might disagree with you, but I understand. But this whole “let’s give them 2-20 years to let them think about it” crap doesn’t do shite.
Posted on 6/23/21 at 4:45 pm to Joshjrn
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The majority of violent crime is committed by a small percentage of the population. Considering the over-criminalization that has occurred in the last half century+, pretty much everyone is a criminal is some capacity.
It seems silly to keep trotting out this trope when discussing actual violent crime/criminals.
Posted on 6/23/21 at 4:45 pm to fallguy_1978
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They come from broken homes and neighborhoods and were never taught any values.
How many of those homes and neighborhoods were broken by the war on drugs?
Posted on 6/23/21 at 4:46 pm to Mike da Tigah
The Destroya is Destroying.
Whodathunkit!?
Whodathunkit!?
Posted on 6/23/21 at 4:47 pm to Y.A. Tittle
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It seems silly to keep trotting out this trope when discussing actual violent crime/criminals.
But the reality is that the overwhelming majority of “crimes” that come through the system aren’t violent. We are breaking down families and neighborhoods even more than they already are with this bullshite. The entire system needs an overhaul, and just focusing on being “harder on violent crime” ignores 95% of the problem.
Posted on 6/23/21 at 4:49 pm to Joshjrn
I have a fairly libertarian view on drugs and I certainly disagree with the way we handled it in this country. But I don't think getting softer on other crimes is the answer to past mistakes.
Posted on 6/23/21 at 4:49 pm to Joshjrn
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My position on rehabilitation isn’t based on feels. It’s simply based on that sticking someone in a cage for a handful of years doesn’t accomplish anything beyond giving them a host of new friends with the same habits and lifestyles they were in. Probation and parole is currently underfunded and stretched too thin. Rehabilitation options in DOC is a joke. It’s just dead time.
Do you believe in restorative justice?
Posted on 6/23/21 at 4:49 pm to Joshjrn
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But the reality is that the overwhelming majority of “crimes” that come through the system aren’t violent.
Are we talking people actually convicted and serving time? I can't imagine that's the case. Overwhelming majority?
Posted on 6/23/21 at 4:50 pm to Breauxsif
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Do you believe in restorative justice?
The paragraph above the one you quoted answered that, unless you have a more specific question
Posted on 6/23/21 at 4:51 pm to Y.A. Tittle
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It seems silly to keep trotting out this trope when discussing actual violent crime/criminals.
You can't dismiss property crimes and concentrate only on violent crime. We did that and it was a disaster. In the short time we tried CJ reform, some decent sized theft rings went insane.
No reason for drug criminals to be in prison though.
Posted on 6/23/21 at 4:52 pm to Y.A. Tittle
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Are we talking people actually convicted and serving time? I can't imagine that's the case. Overwhelming majority?
I would say “majority” if you limit it in that way. When I say overwhelming majority, I’m including people sitting in jail with monetary bonds they can’t afford as well.
Posted on 6/23/21 at 4:56 pm to Joshjrn
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if you limit it in that way.
I honestly wasn't trying to be cute.
I thought that was the clear issue here and couldn't really understand you trying to conflate it with bringing up people who fudge their taxes or something.
I'd still be shocked if it's even a bare majority.
Hasn't a lot been done on this bond front lately? I don't know that it's making anything better, but I don't suppose I have an issue with that for non-violent offenders.
Posted on 6/23/21 at 5:01 pm to Y.A. Tittle
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Hasn't a lot been done on this bond front lately? I don't know that it's making anything better, but I don't suppose I have an issue with that for non-violent offenders.
Not really. EBR judiciary is currently being sued over their bond practices, and frankly, when compared to the rest of the state, we aren’t that bad.
Just eyeballing callout over the last couple of days, burglary is running $15-25k. PWID is $40-50k. Possession of a stolen firearm is $15k. A two count drug possession was $15k.
Posted on 6/23/21 at 5:05 pm to Joshjrn
I don't want to fight you because I've been "insulted".
I want to fight you to 'educate' you.
All the shite you talk screams: "I'm a giant pussy who has never had my arse kicked. Everything I know I learned from books."
No man who's had to physically stand up for himself / use his fists would ever spout the liberal shite you do.
I'm fairly certain if you had your nose broken or jaw cracked, your positions on things like 'restorative justice' might change. You might say: "you know, maybe prison is a good thing."
I want to fight you to 'educate' you.
All the shite you talk screams: "I'm a giant pussy who has never had my arse kicked. Everything I know I learned from books."
No man who's had to physically stand up for himself / use his fists would ever spout the liberal shite you do.
I'm fairly certain if you had your nose broken or jaw cracked, your positions on things like 'restorative justice' might change. You might say: "you know, maybe prison is a good thing."
Posted on 6/23/21 at 5:06 pm to Joshjrn
quote:I don’t disagree, but, since we currently have zero financially supportable or alternative options, I’ll choose the course of action that takes them off the street rather than what we are currently doing.
My position on rehabilitation isn’t based on feels. It’s simply based on that sticking someone in a cage for a handful of years doesn’t accomplish anything beyond giving them a host of new friends with the same habits and lifestyles they were in. Probation and parole is currently underfunded and stretched too thin. Rehabilitation options in DOC is a joke. It’s just dead time.
Our society has this inherently stupid ability to simply stop or destroy something that isn’t perfect and try to replace it with something that we are completely unsure as to whether it works better, or even works at all.
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