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re: Carjackings in New Orleans are the worst in a decade.
Posted on 6/23/21 at 5:10 pm to Scruffy
Posted on 6/23/21 at 5:10 pm to Scruffy
Even in the circles I run in, I don’t know anyone who is advocating for literally abolishing prisons. I know they exist, but I don’t know any.
My position, and the position of most of the people I know, is something along the lines of “hey, how about we take a few million of the tens of millions of dollars we spend on cages every year and try something else with it?”
Did you know that EBR spends over $5M every year to house people detained pretrial in other parishes because we don’t have the space? That’s not for our prison. That’s what we pay for overflow. It’s insane.
My position, and the position of most of the people I know, is something along the lines of “hey, how about we take a few million of the tens of millions of dollars we spend on cages every year and try something else with it?”
Did you know that EBR spends over $5M every year to house people detained pretrial in other parishes because we don’t have the space? That’s not for our prison. That’s what we pay for overflow. It’s insane.
This post was edited on 6/23/21 at 5:10 pm
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Posted on 6/23/21 at 5:14 pm to Joshjrn
quote:And my response is always, “what will you replace it with and will it work better?”
“hey, how about we take a few million of the tens of millions of dollars we spend on cages every year and try something else with it?”
How long do I have to give you to get an idea as to whether it would work better than what is currently there?
The other issue I have is “who will be running the new show?”
quote:And how do we address this?
Did you know that EBR spends over $5M every year to house people detained pretrial in other parishes because we don’t have the space? That’s not for our prison. That’s what we pay for overflow. It’s insane.
The one issue we have is that our governmental agencies are so damn insufficient that anything you come up with is doomed from the start.
This post was edited on 6/23/21 at 5:18 pm
Posted on 6/23/21 at 5:15 pm to Joshjrn
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hey, how about we take a few million of the tens of millions of dollars we spend on cages every year and try something else with it?
What percentage of the people in prison do you think we could rehabilitate to become productive citizens?
Posted on 6/23/21 at 5:18 pm to Scruffy
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And my response is always, “what will you replace it with and will it work better?”
How long do I have to give you to get an idea as to whether it would work?
The other issue I have is “who will be running the new show?”
All fair questions, and not really my wheelhouse. I represent the people; I don't rehabilitate them
But, what we've been doing costs a fortune and hasn't worked well. So I'm open to trying something new, at least as a pilot.
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And how do we address this?
By abolishing victimless crime and abolishing monetary bail. This one is my wheelhouse
Posted on 6/23/21 at 5:18 pm to Joshjrn
A major flaw with this brand of ideology is that it leads to evasion and deflection on the side of the perpetrator. It avoids placing accountability and self responsibility on the criminal for their actions. A history of systemic oppression may explain the motivations for crime and violence, but it shouldn’t excuse ones actions nor should it result in lightweight or nonexistent consequences.
A grown adult should know not to kill, rob, steal, and rape. If they can’t control their actions, they need to be removed from society, plain and simple. The stark reality is that the vast majority of career criminals are broken beyond repair. Restorative justice is enabling repeat offenders to continue a life of lawlessness, self abuse, and cultural disfunction.
A grown adult should know not to kill, rob, steal, and rape. If they can’t control their actions, they need to be removed from society, plain and simple. The stark reality is that the vast majority of career criminals are broken beyond repair. Restorative justice is enabling repeat offenders to continue a life of lawlessness, self abuse, and cultural disfunction.
Posted on 6/23/21 at 5:19 pm to fallguy_1978
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What percentage of the people in prison do you think we could rehabilitate to become productive citizens?
Just because I've gotten crossways with other posters: do you mean "prison" (which is primarily filled with people detained pretrial and those convicted but serving short sentences) or those in the Department of Corrections?
Posted on 6/23/21 at 5:21 pm to Breauxsif
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Restorative justice is enabling repeat offenders to continue a life of lawlessness, self abuse, and cultural disfunction.
Often with the cost being borne by people that haven't done anything wrong. Most of the people who are burglarizing houses or vehicles aren't going to become a welder or a manager at Wendy's. They are already gone.
Posted on 6/23/21 at 5:24 pm to fallguy_1978
I am probably no longer the best person to have this discussion with.
I have largely reached a point in my political views where I no longer believe that our republic system of government is the best available political system.
Voting rights that are given at birth with zero qualifications, requirements, or methods to earn it, is an absolutely poor system in its entirety.
I have largely reached a point in my political views where I no longer believe that our republic system of government is the best available political system.
Voting rights that are given at birth with zero qualifications, requirements, or methods to earn it, is an absolutely poor system in its entirety.
Posted on 6/23/21 at 5:25 pm to Joshjrn
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Just because I've gotten crossways with other posters: do you mean "prison" (which is primarily filled with people detained pretrial and those convicted but serving short sentences) or those in the Department of Corrections?
Either way I guess. I agree with you on drug charges so let's set that aside for now.
What percentage of people doing time for things like auto theft, simple burglary or armed robbery do you think we could turn into regular productive citizens?
Posted on 6/23/21 at 5:27 pm to Scruffy
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Voting rights that are given at birth with zero qualifications, requirements, or methods to earn it, is an absolutely poor system in its entirety.
Our welfare system also allows the least productive members of society to breed the most, largely consequence free for them from a monetary standpoint.
Posted on 6/23/21 at 5:27 pm to Scruffy
quote:
I am probably no longer the best person to have this discussion with.
I have largely reached a point in my political views where I no longer believe that our republic system of government is the best available political system.
Voting rights that are given at birth with zero qualifications, requirements, or methods to earn it, is an absolutely poor system in its entirety.
The purpose of our Republic was for the average person to select people of high intellect and character whose jobs it would be to educate themselves on the political subjects of the day and make sound decisions, whether they ultimately be right or wrong.
Almost immediately, the average person was convinced into voting for "representatives" who they agreed with on issues, ignoring that they had neither the time nor the inclination to educate themselves on those issues in the first place. So we find ourselves in the worst of both worlds: all base negatives of a direct democracy but none of the personal responsibility, and none of the elevation of a republic but with every ounce of diffusion of responsibility.
I've said before, and I'll say it again: the United States is long overdue for some measure of balkanization.
Posted on 6/23/21 at 5:31 pm to fallguy_1978
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Either way I guess. I agree with you on drug charges so let's set that aside for now.
What percentage of people doing time for things like auto theft, simple burglary or armed robbery do you think we could turn into regular productive citizens?
So, it gets tricky. I know I keep harping on drugs, but how many of those thefts, et al, are due to trying to support a drug habit that's artificially expensive due to criminalization?
I'll say this, which I appreciate is a rather poor substitute for an answer that would otherwise be entirely made up: if I plotted the rap sheets of my clients over the last decade, those with "long" rapsheets would be the extreme minority. I've represented a lot of people, and the overwhelming majority of them are not what you would call "career criminals", or anything of the like.
Posted on 6/23/21 at 5:32 pm to Joshjrn
quote:100%
I've said before, and I'll say it again: the United States is long overdue for some measure of balkanization.
This system is a failure.
Beyond Balkanization, at a bare minimum, voting should be earned through a rigorous process.
Birth given voting rights are moronic.
This post was edited on 6/23/21 at 5:39 pm
Posted on 6/23/21 at 5:35 pm to Smeg
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'restorative justice'
Just left wing bullshite.
The word justice has no real meaning today. People use it and pervert the hell out of it.
Posted on 6/23/21 at 5:37 pm to Scruffy
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This system is a failure.
I have faith in none of it. Populism destroyed any attempt at a Republic. Of course that's the idea, the flip the course of power.
Posted on 6/23/21 at 5:39 pm to RogerTheShrubber
Ceding state's rights to a centralized federal government is what started the decline of the US.
That and ending the gold standard.
That and ending the gold standard.
This post was edited on 6/23/21 at 5:42 pm
Posted on 6/23/21 at 5:45 pm to fallguy_1978
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That and ending the gold standard.
Meh, while I wish we would have never left a hard currency standard, gold does have its drawbacks. So do other options, like silver. So I don't have a favorite horse, but we can probably agree that fiat is the devil
This post was edited on 6/23/21 at 5:46 pm
Posted on 6/23/21 at 5:47 pm to Joshjrn
I don’t like how your movement lumps in property crime with “non-violent” offenders.
I’m all on board for drug crime reform if it means we’ll start incarcerating those who steal on a larger basis. Nothing fricks up the social contract more than having to worry about your belongings being stolen constantly.
I’m all on board for drug crime reform if it means we’ll start incarcerating those who steal on a larger basis. Nothing fricks up the social contract more than having to worry about your belongings being stolen constantly.
Posted on 6/23/21 at 5:50 pm to Smeg
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No man who's had to physically stand up for himself / use his fists would ever spout the liberal shite you do.
I'm fairly certain if you had your nose broken or jaw cracked, your positions on things like 'restorative justice' might change. You might say: "you know, maybe prison is a good thing."
You really typed that without being embarrassed for yourself lol
Posted on 6/23/21 at 6:01 pm to Smeg
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I don't want to fight you because I've been "insulted".
I want to fight you to 'educate' you.
All the shite you talk screams: "I'm a giant pussy who has never had my arse kicked. Everything I know I learned from books."
No man who's had to physically stand up for himself / use his fists would ever spout the liberal shite you do.
I'm fairly certain if you had your nose broken or jaw cracked, your positions on things like 'restorative justice' might change. You might say: "you know, maybe prison is a good thing."
Smeg, the adults are trying to have a conversation. Entertain yourself for a minute, and someone will come around to refill your sippy cup.
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