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re: Can someone help me explain how people are affording a house in today's market?

Posted on 4/3/23 at 8:56 pm to
Posted by fallguy_1978
Best States #50
Member since Feb 2018
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Posted on 4/3/23 at 8:56 pm to
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Property tax is one of the best kinds of taxes. Way the frick better than income taxes.

I disagree. You never really own your home and you also have some arbitrary value assigned to what's being taxed. 6% of your income is 6%. Sales tax is probably the most ideal shite sandwich of taxes though because everyone gets to play and you can somewhat control the amount you pay
Posted by armsdealer
Member since Feb 2016
12297 posts
Posted on 4/3/23 at 8:57 pm to
20% of the states the median is below $200k. 50% of the states the median is below $300k. Not everybody is buying at the median or average price.

The prices are ridiculous because people are using SFH's as investments, but buying entire developments at once.
Posted by KirbySmartass
Member since Jul 2020
3139 posts
Posted on 4/3/23 at 8:57 pm to
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I'm seeing people sell their houses in California or New York for $1,000,000+ and then buy twice as much house for $750,000 in Georgia.


People that bought our house in Decatur last month were from Cali. All $, no due diligence, no right to inspect, and $50k over asking. It’s a good thing it was a remote closing because I would’ve laid a big wet sloppy kiss on both of them when the closing wrapped up.
Posted by JohnnyKilroy
Cajun Navy Vice Admiral
Member since Oct 2012
41094 posts
Posted on 4/3/23 at 9:05 pm to
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You never really own your home and you also have some arbitrary value assigned to what's being taxed.


Arbitrary? Most property taxes are voted on directly by the community being taxed. It's the closest you really get on taxes. Income taxes are generally at the state level at their closest. The vast majority of your income taxes are decided by a small handful of people in DC.

Property on its own produces very little, if anything depending on your point of view. You aren't putting a damper of a positive activity by taxing it. Sales tax and income tax affects commerce much more than property tax.

Property tax is easily the least bad tax.
Posted by LanierSpots
Sarasota, Florida
Member since Sep 2010
71097 posts
Posted on 4/3/23 at 9:11 pm to
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But what if that doesn’t happen for several years



Then I will pay a higher payment for a few years. There is no alternative.
Posted by Crowknowsbest
Member since May 2012
26960 posts
Posted on 4/3/23 at 9:13 pm to
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Riets are what’s buying up all these houses. They then turn around and rent them out.

Not so much anymore. Their cost of capital has gone up just like everyone else’s.
Posted by fallguy_1978
Best States #50
Member since Feb 2018
53536 posts
Posted on 4/3/23 at 9:14 pm to
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Arbitrary? Most property taxes are voted on directly by the community being taxed.

I'd sell my house to the government any year they are willing to pay for what they say it's worth. You have zero control over that unless you dispute it every year. States like Mississippi have low property taxes and don't tax retirement income. It's a far more desirable model imo. Louisiana sucks for taxes, I completely agree with you, but I don't want the Texas model either.

My sister has lived near downtown Austin since 1999. They have a nice house but their taxes have ballooned due to property value. So much so that they've considered selling, not because they desire to move, but because it's taking too much of their recurring income. That's a bad model. It's taxing unrealized gains.
This post was edited on 4/3/23 at 9:18 pm
Posted by OweO
Plaquemine, La
Member since Sep 2009
122175 posts
Posted on 4/3/23 at 9:15 pm to
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many people


Is it people or companies?
Posted by biglego
San Francisco
Member since Nov 2007
84732 posts
Posted on 4/3/23 at 9:30 pm to
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There are 124 million households in the USA. 5.7% of that is over 7 million households earning over $200k a year. What do you think is the right number?


His perception is skewed bc everyone on the OT makes $300k+
Posted by WDE24
Member since Oct 2010
54853 posts
Posted on 4/3/23 at 9:34 pm to
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20 years ago, that $225K house was probably closer to $125K. That changes the equation a bit.
20 years ago was during the start of a huge run in home prices. I bought my first home 18 years ago for $260k. It was a 3/2 and 1800 sq ft.
Posted by nola tiger lsu
Member since Nov 2007
7379 posts
Posted on 4/3/23 at 9:36 pm to
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Yes the property taxes are high, but they are more than offset by no income tax. And my monthly escrow payment is barely higher when you factor in that my home insurance (again, for a property that requires a WAY higher coverage amount) is a fraction of what I was paying in Louisiana.


Correct. Ill refer back to a comment I made earlier in this thread, people dont actually think critically. So, in Texas the coverage is all abt property taxes so they think we need to lower them and they are so oppressive. Further, the media comparisons of state tax liability consider much lower income ranges so yes if you make less than 70k figure or as a family say less than 140k, your liability percentage will be higher. However, I am absolutely certain at my income and my property tax rate that I come out ahead in Texas.
Posted by TutHillTiger
Mississippi Alabama
Member since Sep 2010
49830 posts
Posted on 4/3/23 at 9:39 pm to
I have been saying this for years. When I sell this house I am paying cash for next one and now dealing with mortgages again
Posted by Dixie2023
Member since Mar 2023
5242 posts
Posted on 4/3/23 at 9:41 pm to
I don’t know. It’s sad. Young people today have lost a piece of the American dream. It should not be out of reach to find a house for $150k in a safe decent middle class neighborhood. I’d love to see it all burst and prices fall. But it won’t. Corporate breed and Black Rock will make sure of it. I’m glad my mortgage is almost paid off and I got in bc this sh*t show.
Posted by fallguy_1978
Best States #50
Member since Feb 2018
53536 posts
Posted on 4/3/23 at 9:44 pm to
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It’s sad. Young people today have lost a piece of the American dream

Agreed. Stupid expensive higher education, childcare, real estate
Posted by lsu xman
Member since Oct 2006
16831 posts
Posted on 4/3/23 at 9:49 pm to
Many cant. They miss payments all over the place. Late on car notes, C.C balances thru the roof, etc.
Posted by SaintsTiger
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Member since Oct 2014
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Posted on 4/3/23 at 9:50 pm to
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Renting is cheaper and has less hassle than being a homeowner. If something breaks, you call the landlord/apartment complex and it gets fixed/replaced.) No dedication to a massive note every month. This is a massive incentive compared to owning a home, where you would have to provide major upkeep just to see an even return on investment


This is getting a lot of hate. Maybe people should run some numbers on a rent to own calculator and give us some examples.

I’m too tired/lazy to do it right now.
Posted by Gpfather
Member since Jan 2019
485 posts
Posted on 4/3/23 at 9:51 pm to
OT Talk, I know, but we bought a house a year ago and are paying the mortgage by furnishing and renting out our basement to travel medical professionals for months at a time. We’ve had 3 tenants, all of which are single, don’t make a peep, and have more than covered our monthly payments. Honestly, it’s been going too well.
Posted by FlappingPierre
St. George
Member since Nov 2013
5028 posts
Posted on 4/3/23 at 10:02 pm to
Just backed out on buying a house. After doing math it just is a horrible time to buy. We would have been close to $4000 a month on $200,000 combined income. Ill just wait and pray for decreased interest rate and keep our 1,100 mortgage
Posted by ghost2most
Member since Mar 2012
7925 posts
Posted on 4/3/23 at 10:16 pm to
My problem comparing property tax vs income tax is this.

What if you work your arse off to buy and pay off a house and retire early and live very frugally. You get screwed because your taxes keep going up even if you don’t have an income.

Abolish all taxes except a consumption tax. Spend a lot. Pay a lot. Live frugally and don’t.

Posted by threeputtforbogie
Addison, TX
Member since Sep 2017
1008 posts
Posted on 4/3/23 at 10:20 pm to
If you’re in a home with a low interest rate, then I agree. However, non homeowners are getting hit with increased rents YoY, so they’re between a rock and a hard place.
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