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re: Can someone explain to me why this is unpopular in America?

Posted on 5/15/21 at 11:44 am to
Posted by Muthsera
Member since Jun 2017
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Posted on 5/15/21 at 11:44 am to
There are almost no places I would like to take a train to - has to be something far enough to be inconvenient by car and close enough that I'm not stuck on a train more than 2-3 hours tops. So like a 400 mile range, probably?

For me, that means Nashville, Charlotte, and Charleston (pushing it) could turn into daytrips, but only if there was a hub in my city and I didn't have to drive 90 minutes to one.

Convenient? Sure, but a really low priority for me, especially if you'd have to blow up the Blue Ridge to get across the mountains.
Posted by LegendInMyMind
Member since Apr 2019
53911 posts
Posted on 5/15/21 at 11:44 am to
Imagine, in 2021, building an extensive commuter rail system in this country. I can't even begin to comprehend the cost and time that would take. I do know that most of us would likely be dead before we got to ride it any real distance.

Also, it doesn't make sense dumping trillions of dollars into a commuter railway when the rest of our infrastructure is crumbling.
This post was edited on 5/15/21 at 11:47 am
Posted by goofball
Member since Mar 2015
16859 posts
Posted on 5/15/21 at 11:45 am to
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I really think that a train from New Orleans to Baton Rouge to Houston, with a few stops in between would be very popular if done right.



It probably would, but right now the train between Houston and New Orleans stops in Schriever instead of Baton Rouge. Because Logic.
Posted by momentoftruth87
Member since Oct 2013
71421 posts
Posted on 5/15/21 at 11:46 am to
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You alma mater must be so proud of you.




Mine is and much cheaper than UCLA
Posted by TSmith
New Orleans, La.
Member since Jan 2004
1650 posts
Posted on 5/15/21 at 11:52 am to
Took the train to Chicago, and on to Michigan after that, with my two year old daughter a few years back. Was awesome, but I had my own bedroom and bathroom. Meals were included, along with my own bed that they set up and took down for me. Pretty cool experience. But it is just so expensive, and coach would have been pretty miserable.
Posted by I B Freeman
Member since Oct 2009
27843 posts
Posted on 5/15/21 at 11:54 am to
All the time people point to trains in Europe and Asia like they are something special.

We had extensive passenger rail systems in the USA until jet planes became the norm. The rail roads went out of business.

The truth of the matter is air travel has grown tremendously in both those areas of the world. If train travel is some kind of end all, be all mode of travel how can air travel be expanding at such tremendous rates?
This post was edited on 5/15/21 at 11:59 am
Posted by goofball
Member since Mar 2015
16859 posts
Posted on 5/15/21 at 11:58 am to
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All the time people point to trains in Europe and Asia like they are something special.

The truth of the matter is air travel has grown tremendously in both those areas of the world. If train travel is some kind of end all, be all mode of travel how can air travel be expanding at such tremendous rates?



Even with high speed rail, 500 miles or so is the limit. Which means that areas in the US where there aren't a grouping of cities will struggle to make passenger rail work.

You can probably get one to work on the gulf coast eventually as the region grows along I-10 and I-12 (and those highway arteries become more clogged), but the New Orleans-Chicago route will always be slow and sparsely used.
Posted by skullhawk
My house
Member since Nov 2007
23025 posts
Posted on 5/15/21 at 11:58 am to
1. Geographical size
2. Individualism
3. Population density

The US could certainly do it if it’s priorities were focused on true infrastructure improvements. Instead the infrastructure bill Biden is pushing is loaded with lefty fantasies and political payoffs.
Think about this, the US sends about $50 billion in foreign aid all over the world annually. That’s enough to build 50 world class airports or payoff a nationwide high speed rail system in a decade.
Posted by I B Freeman
Member since Oct 2009
27843 posts
Posted on 5/15/21 at 12:00 pm to
There are no economic advantages nor I suspect, even environmental advantages of high speed rail over airplanes.
This post was edited on 5/15/21 at 12:18 pm
Posted by Pueblo Battle
E Tx
Member since Jun 2017
218 posts
Posted on 5/15/21 at 12:00 pm to
Reader Railroad
Reader, Arkansas
Been there. Done that
Posted by Muthsera
Member since Jun 2017
7319 posts
Posted on 5/15/21 at 12:01 pm to
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Imagine, in 2021, building an extensive commuter rail system in this country. I can't even begin to comprehend the cost and time that would take. I do know that most of us would likely be dead before we got to ride it any real distance


Would be nice to see a couple red states do it in 25% of the time and 50% of the budget of California.

If Tennessee ran a line from Knoxville to Nashville, I guarantee it would be full every day. You're talking 180 miles, so like a 1 hour trip. You could commute to work for that.
This post was edited on 5/15/21 at 12:02 pm
Posted by SeaBass23
VA
Member since Jul 2019
1585 posts
Posted on 5/15/21 at 12:05 pm to
I would prefer to see freight taken on the roads and move to short sea shipping routes and pipelines. This would reduce the long haul trucking traffic and reduce congestion especially on the I-95 and I-10 corridors.
Posted by deltaland
Member since Mar 2011
90570 posts
Posted on 5/15/21 at 12:06 pm to
US is too big and other than the northeast it’s not economically feasible or densely populated enough.

You might could make it work between NE cities and maybe west coast cities and between Dallas, Houston, Austin, San Antonio.
Posted by choppadocta
Louisiana
Member since May 2014
1845 posts
Posted on 5/15/21 at 12:08 pm to
18 stops between Chicago and New Orleans is a drag..train is not the smoothest ride either. Blowing horn at every crossing makes it hard to get a decent rest. Scenery is nothing to write home about. I did it once, I'm good.
Posted by Central Tiger
Louisiana
Member since May 2006
2660 posts
Posted on 5/15/21 at 12:10 pm to
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Like, it takes a day by Amtrack to get from Chicago to New Orleans. In Europe and Asia it would take less then 2 to 6 hours


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Trains are awesome and they give great sight seeing of America's beauty.


How much sightseeing do you think is going on at over 150-450 miles an hour?


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The price tag of the massive project to build a Los Angeles-to-San Francisco high-speed rail system has shot up from an original estimate in 2008 of $33 billion with service starting in 2020 to at least $100 billion with an uncertain start date.


California High-Speed Railway Project 67 Billion Over Budget


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I don't care what political party you are.

Based on your lack of critical-thinking skills, I can guess what political party YOU are....
This post was edited on 5/15/21 at 10:42 pm
Posted by SoFla Tideroller
South Florida
Member since Apr 2010
30090 posts
Posted on 5/15/21 at 12:14 pm to
If some private enterprise wants to build it, I'm all for it. As long as my tax dollars don't pay for it, why not?
Posted by TigerintheNO
New Orleans
Member since Jan 2004
41179 posts
Posted on 5/15/21 at 12:14 pm to
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Like, it takes a day by Amtrack to get from Chicago to New Orleans. In Europe and Asia it would take less then 2 to 6 hours.

Why is most of America anti-trains?


I think you answered you own question. A train took me from Zurich to Milan in a few hours, but it will take me a day to get to Chicago. While a plane flight takes me two hours.
Posted by I B Freeman
Member since Oct 2009
27843 posts
Posted on 5/15/21 at 12:16 pm to
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If Tennessee ran a line from Knoxville to Nashville, I guarantee it would be full every day.


Oh yeah?? At what price do you make that guarantee?

Free?? sure $1000? I doubt it.

If the cost of operation is actually paid for by the travelers instead of the taxpayers I doubt seriously any one would ride it.

This post was edited on 5/15/21 at 12:17 pm
Posted by offshoretrash
Farmerville, La
Member since Aug 2008
10174 posts
Posted on 5/15/21 at 12:17 pm to
I agree with you, I wish there was one from Dallas to Atlanta. I hate driving in traffic.
Posted by dakarx
Member since Sep 2018
6833 posts
Posted on 5/15/21 at 12:19 pm to
We have dimbasses getting hit by slow freight trains now... what do you think the outcome of having high speed trains will be?
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