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re: British woman jailed for 31 months in prison over social media post

Posted on 10/17/24 at 3:58 pm to
Posted by Chucktown_Badger
The banks of the Ashley River
Member since May 2013
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Posted on 10/17/24 at 3:58 pm to
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the gray area would be whether her tweet is an actual call to violence.

you can’t tell people to go light a hotel on fire.

Black: Go set the hotels that give them asylum on fire

White: I wouldn’t care if the hotels they were in went up in flames.

Grey: set their hotels on fire, see if I care.

part of the issue here was that there were some riots after where people attacked some mosques and set a police station on fire.

31 months is a lot though.


So are you suggesting that the prosecutors were able to prove that her single tweet is what lead to the widespread (mostly peaceful?) riots? Seems like a high burden of proof and highly unlikely there was that relationship.
Posted by SammyTiger
Baton Rouge, LA
Member since Feb 2009
79444 posts
Posted on 10/17/24 at 4:06 pm to
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So are you suggesting that the prosecutors were able to prove that her single tweet is what lead to the widespread (mostly peaceful?) riots? Seems like a high burden of proof and highly unlikely there was that relationship.


I cannot say what the burden would be in England. And again, free speach protection in Europe
isn’t anywhere near what it is here and never has been.

In America, I think calling for
someone to murder someone is illegal whether they do or don’t, but your definitely more likely to get charged if they try to.
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Posted by red sox fan 13
Valley Park
Member since Aug 2018
19166 posts
Posted on 10/17/24 at 4:15 pm to
The British government will do this and then wonder how Reform wins the next election.
Posted by thejuiceisloose
Member since Nov 2018
6391 posts
Posted on 10/17/24 at 4:15 pm to
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A leftists wet dream

quote:

“They were very brave, the Supreme Court [justices],” Trump said. “Very brave, and they take a lot of hits because of it. It should be illegal, what happens. You know, you have these guys like playing the ref. ... These people should be put in jail the way they talk about our judges and our justices.”

LINK
Posted by Chucktown_Badger
The banks of the Ashley River
Member since May 2013
37071 posts
Posted on 10/17/24 at 4:17 pm to
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And again, free speach protection in Europe
isn’t anywhere near what it is here and never has been.


Understood, but what they're doing is normalizing this type of authoritarian 1984-style governance, and it's already a thing and then some in the Muslim world. It's already started to pervade the mindset of a large chunk of our population, so I find this very concerning. The trend is certainly in the wrong direction big time.
Posted by SammyTiger
Baton Rouge, LA
Member since Feb 2009
79444 posts
Posted on 10/17/24 at 4:18 pm to
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Not surprising you agree with the sentence though.


I am pretty sure I have said the sentence is too harsh.
Posted by Chucktown_Badger
The banks of the Ashley River
Member since May 2013
37071 posts
Posted on 10/17/24 at 4:21 pm to
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thejuiceisloose


Yeah, you can't do this, and they do go to jail for it

Alaska Man Arrested for Threatening U.S. Supreme Court Justices, Their Family Members

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An Alaska man was arrested yesterday in Anchorage for allegedly threatening to injure and kill six U.S. Supreme Court Justices and some of their family members.

According to court documents, between March 10, 2023, and July 16, Panos Anastasiou, 76, sent over 465 messages to the Supreme Court through a public website the court maintained.

“We allege that the defendant made repeated, heinous threats to murder and torture Supreme Court Justices and their families to retaliate against them for decisions he disagreed with,” said Attorney General Merrick B. Garland. “Our justice system depends on the ability of judges to make their decisions based on the law, and not on fear. Our democracy depends on the ability of public officials to do their jobs without fearing for their lives or the safety of their families.”


Saying they don't like the justices or their opinions I totally agree should be protected.
Posted by SammyTiger
Baton Rouge, LA
Member since Feb 2009
79444 posts
Posted on 10/17/24 at 4:21 pm to
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Understood, but what they're doing is normalizing this type of authoritarian 1984-style governance, and it's already a thing and then some in the Muslim world. It's already started to pervade the mindset of a large chunk of our population, so I find this very concerning. The trend is certainly in the wrong direction big time.


In general I agree with you.

I think free speach is important, even speach you don’t like.

I believe people in America have a right to be Nazis so long as they aren’t telling their followers to go shoot jews.

There is and always have been some limits to this.
Posted by upgrayedd
Lifting at Tobin's house
Member since Mar 2013
138931 posts
Posted on 10/17/24 at 4:47 pm to
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GrammarKnotsi
quote:

this is Freedom of Speech, and thats what some of you dont get...Freedom of Speech is essentially FAFO..You can say whatever you want, but be prepared for consequence

Goddamm, you’re retarded. Haven’t read through the thread yet but I’m sure you’re defending this dumb shite to the death.
Posted by upgrayedd
Lifting at Tobin's house
Member since Mar 2013
138931 posts
Posted on 10/17/24 at 4:49 pm to
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I think free speach is important, even speach you don’t like.

Damn, you had to ignore spellcheck of the same word twice in the same sentence. Impressive.
Posted by SammyTiger
Baton Rouge, LA
Member since Feb 2009
79444 posts
Posted on 10/17/24 at 4:50 pm to
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Damn, you had to ignore spellcheck of the same word twice in the same sentence. Impressive.


ignoring spellcheck is one of my many talents.
Posted by upgrayedd
Lifting at Tobin's house
Member since Mar 2013
138931 posts
Posted on 10/17/24 at 4:54 pm to
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ignoring spellcheck is one of my many talents.

Ignoring reality is another one you’re good at
Posted by SammyTiger
Baton Rouge, LA
Member since Feb 2009
79444 posts
Posted on 10/17/24 at 4:56 pm to
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Ignoring reality is another one you’re good at


like what?
Posted by athenslife101
Member since Feb 2013
20503 posts
Posted on 10/17/24 at 5:15 pm to
It depends on the situation. It’s a way more complicated issue. But you can be held liable for speech.
Posted by Klark Kent
Houston via BR
Member since Jan 2008
74870 posts
Posted on 10/17/24 at 6:00 pm to
ooooh, that’s easy.

boys pretending to be girls aren’t mentally ill.
Posted by HonoraryCoonass
Member since Jan 2005
20203 posts
Posted on 10/17/24 at 6:25 pm to
Biden, Garland and Co jailed a man for 7 months for an internet joke. I’d say it’s already here.
Posted by Nado Jenkins83
Land of the Free
Member since Nov 2012
66103 posts
Posted on 10/17/24 at 6:28 pm to
Actually he is the one usually in jail. Not his momma. He don't know her
Posted by Centinel
Idaho
Member since Sep 2016
46169 posts
Posted on 10/17/24 at 6:33 pm to
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In America, I think calling for
someone to murder someone is illegal whether they do or don’t, but your definitely more likely to get charged if they try to.


No, it's not. See people saying they wished the assassin was successful against Trump.

You can most certainly say "I wish someone would actually pull off an assassination of Trump" That is protected. As it should be.

What you can't say is "I'm going to assassinate Trump" It's the direct threat that matters.
This post was edited on 10/17/24 at 6:35 pm
Posted by SammyTiger
Baton Rouge, LA
Member since Feb 2009
79444 posts
Posted on 10/17/24 at 6:35 pm to
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boys pretending to be girls aren’t mentally ill.


nice, I am sure you learned that getting your PhD.

Posted by Klark Kent
Houston via BR
Member since Jan 2008
74870 posts
Posted on 10/17/24 at 6:42 pm to
never claimed to have a PhD.

doesn’t take a doctorate degree to understand basic biology. most of this learned this 4th or 5th Physical Science, at the latest. Yet is something that eludes you and your progressive allies.
This post was edited on 10/17/24 at 6:43 pm
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