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re: Bike lane controversy on Glenmore Ave in BR

Posted on 10/5/15 at 11:43 am to
Posted by gmrkr5
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Posted on 10/5/15 at 11:43 am to
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this whole thing is about the Bikers' sense of entitlement. If they didn't resort to gestapo type BS like calling the cops to write tickets, we wouldn't be here. ride around the damn parked car and ride safely.

If you can't look over your shoulder before performing this maneuver, then you shouldn't be biking.


all of this

and before anybody calls me a truck driving redneck, got a carbon trek in the garage so im just as much a "cyclist" as any of this cycling gestapo
This post was edited on 10/5/15 at 11:44 am
Posted by TigerBR1111
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Posted on 10/5/15 at 11:43 am to
You sir are correct. Well stated.
Posted by mikelbr
Baton Rouge
Member since Apr 2008
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Posted on 10/5/15 at 11:44 am to
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Many bikers have an arrogant attitude of entitlement.


A Chemistry professor who lives on the bike lane posted a very good perspective last week.
Basically called the Cycling Activists a bunch of immature children when referring to their sidewalk chalk messages scribbled in the street.

At the end of the day, there's a ghost bike on Perkins that is, in part, a constant reminder of the entitlement attitude of cyclists.

Posted by Salmon
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Member since Feb 2008
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Posted on 10/5/15 at 11:44 am to
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this whole thing is about the Bikers' sense of entitlement




like I said, there is no point in a bike lane if people are just going to park in it

so either remove and welcome the bikers back on the streets or don't park your car in the bike lane

it seems pretty simple to me
Posted by urinetrouble
Member since Oct 2007
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Posted on 10/5/15 at 11:45 am to
Removing bikes lanes would be a very backwards thing to do.
Posted by mikelbr
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Posted on 10/5/15 at 11:45 am to
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like I said, there is no point in a bike lane if people are just going to park in it

so either remove and welcome the bikers back on the streets or don't park your car in the bike lane

it seems pretty simple to me


There is a point in a bike lane even with cars in it. It boils down to probability of a cyclist getting hit. Spending 80% pct of your ride on a street in the bike lane gives you a better chance of not getting hit.
Cyclists are like women, nothing is ever good enough for them motherfrickers.
Posted by LSUfan4444
Member since Mar 2004
54203 posts
Posted on 10/5/15 at 11:47 am to
I just got back from a week in Chattanooga and first time seeing bike boxes in person in the downtown area. Seemed to work great (probably because there were so many cyclists in town), but they really are engaged in an education campaign.


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Bike Boxes are an intersection safety design at signalized intersections to prevent collisions between cyclists and turning vehicles. The benefits of bike boxes include providing increased visibility of bicyclists, particularly to right turning motorists, and positioning bicyclists to clear an intersection quickly, minimizing impediment to other traffic. - See more at: https://www.chattanooga.gov/transportation/transportation-resources/bicycling#sthash.vhGU2dEM.dpuf









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Bicycles are to be expected on all Chattanooga streets as part of our transportation network. - See more at: https://www.chattanooga.gov/transportation/transportation-resources/bicycling#sthash.vhGU2dEM.dpuf



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Bike Lanes are dedicated lanes for bikes. Vehicular traffic is prohibited in bike lanes and must yield to cyclist when crossing a bike lane when necessary turn. This is the preferred bike facility used where road width allows.



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Shared Lanes are travel lanes shared by motorists and cyclists. While cyclists are permitted and should be expected on all City streets, Shared Lanes facilities are part of Chattanooga's bike route system - See more at: https://www.chattanooga.gov/transportation/transportation-resources/bicycling#sthash.vhGU2dEM.dpuf



This post was edited on 10/5/15 at 11:50 am
Posted by Salmon
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Member since Feb 2008
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Posted on 10/5/15 at 11:47 am to
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Cyclists are like women, nothing is ever good enough for them motherfrickers.


I mean...same can be said for the people that hate on cyclists

you want them off the road, but you also don't want them to have bike lanes
Posted by TigerRob20
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Member since Nov 2008
3732 posts
Posted on 10/5/15 at 11:47 am to
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this whole thing is about the Bikers' sense of entitlement. If they didn't resort to gestapo type BS like calling the cops to write tickets, we wouldn't be here. ride around the damn parked car and ride safely.



The cyclists really shot themselves in the foot on this one. If they lanes do get removed, it will set a precedent for other streets to do the same (i.e. Kenilworth Blvd). All of the work that numerous special interest groups have done over the past 10 years to grow this type of alternative transportation culture will start to dwindle.

As an example, look at the plans CPEX had drawn up ( LINK) for the entire Webb Park area. It was going to totally transform the look of the neighborhood, increasing property values even more. Who will even try to make a change in the neighborhood if the ONE bike lane that is there now is removed.

I understand both sides of the issue, as my parents live in the neighborhood (not on Glenmore) and routinely have to park a car on the street. I think the best compromise, short of having dedicated parking on the median would be to allow short term parking for residents in the bike lanes along residential streets. This would allow officers the discretion of writing tickets when there was a legitimate safety issue instead of when someone is having a party at their house or something.

The key is, both sides needed to communicate better on this, and not jump to harsh conclusions (like wanting tickets issued because of bitterness, or removing the bike lanes completely).

In the city as a whole, we need better transportation options for traveling short distances (under 3 miles). Removing bike lanes anywhere is not the solution. A network of bike lanes can entice people to get some exercise to the grocery/drug store instead of getting in a car and contributing to traffic.
This post was edited on 10/5/15 at 12:17 pm
Posted by gmrkr5
NC
Member since Jul 2009
14904 posts
Posted on 10/5/15 at 11:48 am to
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Removing bikes lanes would be a very backwards thing to do.



i keep seeing this quote being used. why is it so backward?
Posted by Golfer
Member since Nov 2005
75052 posts
Posted on 10/5/15 at 11:48 am to
The thing that has actually pissed me off the most is that the biking community has made remarks such as "the homeowners force the help to park in the lanes so they aren't clogging the driveway with old cars" or "surely they can afford to put in more parking space if needed".

But again, this didn't become an issue until the biking community decided to request BRPD to ticket them before asking them to move or putting flyers on vehicles letting them know it was actually illegal.
Posted by LSUfan4444
Member since Mar 2004
54203 posts
Posted on 10/5/15 at 11:48 am to
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this whole thing is about the Bikers' sense of entitlement


Why is it not about the entitlement of the person breaking the law?
Posted by mikelbr
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Member since Apr 2008
47590 posts
Posted on 10/5/15 at 11:48 am to
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I mean...same can be said for the people that hate on cyclists

you want them off the road, but you also don't want them to have bike lanes



Very true. People that get mad at cyclists for using their right-of-way are equally as stupid.
I am big fan of more sidewalks and bike lanes around town. Start with Perkins Road. From Siegen to City Park needs a big arse sidewalk with a bike lane(like the levee has).
Posted by LSUfan4444
Member since Mar 2004
54203 posts
Posted on 10/5/15 at 11:49 am to
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nd before anybody calls me a truck driving redneck, got a carbon trek in the garage so im just as much a "cyclist" as any of this cycling gestapo


I've got a big belt buckle and a huge sombrero but I ain't a mexican cowboy
Posted by KG6
Member since Aug 2009
10920 posts
Posted on 10/5/15 at 11:49 am to
I totally see that bikers can be inconsiderate sometimes. I was on a ride two weeks ago and came up to three intersections. First was a light. As I'm stopped waiting for green, some lady on a mountain bike just rolls past me causing havoc in the intersection trying to get around turning cars. I pass her, but stop at another light. She catches up and passes right by me again luckily no cars this time. Next is a roundabout right after the second light. I slow down to let a car that's already in the circle pass, and she passes me again cutting off the car. I couldn't believe how ignorant she was to what she was doing especially when there was a biker right in front of her all each time following the rules of the road as an example.

But as far as this topic, sounds like you guys are never going to give a biker a chance. "Bikes shouldn't be on the road!". We make a bike lane to get them out of the road "I should be able to put my car there!". It's about a good an argument from the bikers about cars being in their lane as the drivers complaining about bikers being in theirs.
This post was edited on 10/5/15 at 12:44 pm
Posted by Salmon
On the trails
Member since Feb 2008
83675 posts
Posted on 10/5/15 at 11:50 am to
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But again, this didn't become an issue until the biking community decided to request BRPD to ticket them before asking them to move or putting flyers on vehicles letting them know it was actually illegal.



lets be honest here, this is probably caused by a very small group of hipsters that dream of BR being Austin

lets not start the "biking community" nonsense as if all bikers are like this
Posted by gmrkr5
NC
Member since Jul 2009
14904 posts
Posted on 10/5/15 at 11:50 am to
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I've got a big belt buckle and a huge sombrero but I ain't a mexican cowboy



you are probably one of the ones with the chalk arent you?
Posted by Martini
Near Athens
Member since Mar 2005
48884 posts
Posted on 10/5/15 at 11:51 am to
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A few things: the "lane" was originally created when they striped Glenmore to narrow the vehicle travel lane and add speed humps. A few years after, the city added bike lane paintings/signs but did not include "no parking" signs.


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All lived in harmony, until 2-3 months ago.


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As I said earlier, I've used Glenmore for over 6 years...outside of someone having a party, there are very few vehicles ever parked in the lanes; and are usually there for a short period of time (lawn care, home repair, delivery trucks, etc.)


I've driven, walked, jogged, biked and probably staggered all over that area for over 50 years and never had a problem. If the cyclists would consider what actually happens in the area this would not be much of a concern. Simply go around the occasional (and it is occasional) parked vehicle as every other person/driver does. I come into my neighborhood on any given day and drive around lawn people, plumbers, neighbors having friends over for a birthday or game and I don't immediately call the cops for illegal parking.

I'm a somewhat bike rider but I'm also a person of reason and logic and common sense and the bike riders are stirring the pot here.

I don't see anyone complaining about cars parking in front of houses on Longwood, Ingleside, Richland, Steele Blvd and all have just as much bike, walker, stroller, pedestrian traffic as Glenmore.

I'm all for designated bike lanes, building more and improving the city to be more bike friendly but the bikers have to come to the table as well and leave the bad attitude at the house.

I have property in East Feliciana that I visit several times a week and I am very careful about the bikes that are out because they are not very careful or conscience of me.
Posted by gmrkr5
NC
Member since Jul 2009
14904 posts
Posted on 10/5/15 at 11:51 am to
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lets be honest here, this is probably caused by a very small group of hipsters that dream of BR being Austin



what's that saying about "one bad apple"?
Posted by LSUfan4444
Member since Mar 2004
54203 posts
Posted on 10/5/15 at 11:51 am to
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I totally see that bikers can be inconsiderate sometimes


I agree. Drivers and cyclists (and just about every sub group on the planet) are inconsiderate at times. It isn't al cyclists and it isn't all drivers but the only way it works is if both sides want it to work.
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