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re: Believe the science!...except food science is killing us
Posted on 2/22/22 at 6:42 pm to Jake88
Posted on 2/22/22 at 6:42 pm to Jake88
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It means shop the fruits and vegetables along with meats and the products in the cooler. Avoid most crap in boxes, bags, and cans on the shelves.
Yes, that is the takeaway. Most (but not all) of the food around the perimeter of the average grocery store is fresh whole foods. If you are going into the middle of the store for something other than herbs, spices, paper products or cleaning supplies take a beat and think about what you are getting to put in your cart.
Posted on 2/22/22 at 6:53 pm to Chalkywhite84
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How do you put diabetes into remission
For type 2,
read the diabetes code by Dr Jason Fung.
Posted on 2/22/22 at 6:57 pm to Gravitiger
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Eating a Wendy's triple burger with no bun is not healthy, even if it's got all that good beef fat. How much you eat matters just as much as what you eat.
Eating a Wendy's triple burger would not be "all that good beef fat" because the processed meat and cheese would be full of garbage. Fat is storage so if you've got beef raised eating garbage you don't want to eat that fat (besides all the shite they process it with after slaughter).
Now, if you just mean eating 3/4 of a lb of meat with cheese on top (let's say, completely farm fresh and grassfed/finished), why would that be a problem? That's well below the calories for a day. Just don't overeat for the rest of the day.
Posted on 2/22/22 at 7:03 pm to efrad
I was wrong to conflate the standard American diet and the food pyramid, they are not synonymous.
I was wrong to think that everyone needs to be on a low-carb diet to be healthy.
I was wrong to believe that low carb diet is superior to losing weight. It may be easier to stick to the diet, but users lose weight because of lower calories.
I was wrong to think that pizza hamburgers donuts and potato chips were high carb foods, they’re not, they are highly palatable foods and equal amount of calories come from fat and carbs. Adults don’t like to eat purely carb foods, they want it mixed with fat and salt.
I was wrong to think that your body has to burn of carbs before it burns fat.
I was wrong to think that artificial sweeteners increases blood glucose, insulin, or shown to Cause weight gain.
I was wrong to believe there was evidence that shows eating an organic diet is better for you. Only appeals to naturalism.
I was wrong to Think that diabetes is cured by a low carb diet, when A diet apart from losing weight has never been shown to reduce A-1 C.
I personally prefer a low-carb diet because it gives me a tool to abstain from the dopamine rush of highly palatable foods. I am also in the middle of a 110 hour fast.
I think that reducing seed oilsl is good if that means not getting them from pop tarts, but if you put animal fats in pop tart it’s not gonna change the obesity epidemic.
I think that if you are thin, get your 12,000 steps a day, don’t use tobacco, and have a good sleep hygiene that covers about 95% of our risk reductions.
I was wrong to think that everyone needs to be on a low-carb diet to be healthy.
I was wrong to believe that low carb diet is superior to losing weight. It may be easier to stick to the diet, but users lose weight because of lower calories.
I was wrong to think that pizza hamburgers donuts and potato chips were high carb foods, they’re not, they are highly palatable foods and equal amount of calories come from fat and carbs. Adults don’t like to eat purely carb foods, they want it mixed with fat and salt.
I was wrong to think that your body has to burn of carbs before it burns fat.
I was wrong to think that artificial sweeteners increases blood glucose, insulin, or shown to Cause weight gain.
I was wrong to believe there was evidence that shows eating an organic diet is better for you. Only appeals to naturalism.
I was wrong to Think that diabetes is cured by a low carb diet, when A diet apart from losing weight has never been shown to reduce A-1 C.
I personally prefer a low-carb diet because it gives me a tool to abstain from the dopamine rush of highly palatable foods. I am also in the middle of a 110 hour fast.
I think that reducing seed oilsl is good if that means not getting them from pop tarts, but if you put animal fats in pop tart it’s not gonna change the obesity epidemic.
I think that if you are thin, get your 12,000 steps a day, don’t use tobacco, and have a good sleep hygiene that covers about 95% of our risk reductions.
Posted on 2/22/22 at 7:08 pm to Rust Cohle
I agree with most of that. CICO is just too reductionist to have any real meaning on a population basis. It's almost a tautology.
Posted on 2/22/22 at 7:24 pm to Abikaasa_Posti_Teel
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Where would pecan oil fall on this?
I think if you were using it for taste and sparingly it would be fine. I think the main issue with these seed oils is that they are used in everything we eat.
Posted on 2/22/22 at 7:28 pm to lechateau
Wish I could find salad dressings that didn't have soybean oil.
Posted on 2/22/22 at 7:33 pm to USMEagles
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Wish I could find salad dressings that didn't have soybean oil.
Primal Kitchen product's are pricy but good.
Walmart carries many of their products.
https://www.walmart.com/search?q=primal+foods
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This post was edited on 2/22/22 at 7:35 pm
Posted on 2/22/22 at 7:36 pm to SpartanSoul
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Walmart carries many of their products.
Well shite. Looks like all the O-Tards might be shopping at Wal-Mart after all.
Posted on 2/22/22 at 7:46 pm to USMEagles
All you need to do is drink apple cider vinegar at night and it neutralizes all the bad shite in these oils. And it melts fat away. I saw it on the internet so I know it’s true.
You can eat anything you want and still lose weight just by drinking apple cider vinegar.
You can eat anything you want and still lose weight just by drinking apple cider vinegar.
Posted on 2/22/22 at 7:46 pm to McLemore
He has a Quack list he’s critical of the ones theorizing and stating like it’s the truth. Attia, Huberman, and Sinclair are highly criticized. Dayspring and krauss are not like this, they speak differently.
His criticism of Ludwig he’s not a great speaker
Attia and cgms Diet wars
His criticism of Ludwig he’s not a great speaker
Attia and cgms Diet wars
This post was edited on 2/22/22 at 7:48 pm
Posted on 2/22/22 at 7:49 pm to USMEagles
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Wish I could find salad dressings that didn't have soybean oil.
if you have olive oil and lemon juice or vinegar you have everything you need to make salad dressing
Posted on 2/22/22 at 7:55 pm to cgrand
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if you have olive oil and lemon juice or vinegar you have everything you need to make salad dressing
This.
Take a TBSP of red wine (or your preference) vinegar. Add salt and pepper. If you like, add in a bit of dijon to help with the flavor and emulsification. Whisk to combine.
Now add in three TBSP olive oil and whisk to combine until emulsified.
Best damn salad dressing you will ever have.
If you want to add herbs or aromatics like parsley, shallots, dill, chives, etc. do so at the beginning when you whisk the vinegar/salt/pepper/dijon combos prior to adding the oil.
This post was edited on 2/22/22 at 7:56 pm
Posted on 2/22/22 at 8:00 pm to lechateau
To further emphasize everything you’ve said about how much we’ve been lied to by modern and traditional food science and how it relates to health, every person should read “The Diet Heart Myth” by Chris Kresser. It’s a revelation and supports all of this.
Kresser’s website
Kresser’s website
Posted on 2/22/22 at 8:06 pm to dnm3305
Kresser is on the Quack list linked above.
If the video in the OP is made by Joseph Everett, well, he's on the quack list as well.
If the video in the OP is made by Joseph Everett, well, he's on the quack list as well.
Posted on 2/22/22 at 8:12 pm to dnm3305
To that emphatically promote kresser, you should at least read his criticizers. Chris Kresser is awful
This post was edited on 2/22/22 at 8:13 pm
Posted on 2/22/22 at 8:13 pm to Rust Cohle
I'll check it. But Attia is pretty flexible. I've never found him to be dogmatic or quackish. He seems think fairly highly of himself, and I disagree with him often, which is great. I don't know shite, ultimately.
Oh and the main thing I've read by Ludwig was on fructose and NAFLD. Seemed pretty unassailable.
Watching the video you linked now re obesity. And carb-insulin model. I haven't read that Ludwig book.
Eta: gonna watch the video on Attia. I'd like to see one on Naiman too. They're both openly changed their opinions over the years, based on their own clinical experience, n=1 experiments etc.
Naiman even said in some interview not long ago, "Hell we may come back to just CICO soon." I just don't see how he fits the quack definition. I guess he and Attia both sell shite. I'm always wary of that. Especially those who sell fasting. Lol. I'm going to sell you literally nothing.
Eta: listened to Bass's Attia overhype thing. I don't see how overhyped necessarily means quack. I guess it's a matter of degree.
Oh and the main thing I've read by Ludwig was on fructose and NAFLD. Seemed pretty unassailable.
Watching the video you linked now re obesity. And carb-insulin model. I haven't read that Ludwig book.
Eta: gonna watch the video on Attia. I'd like to see one on Naiman too. They're both openly changed their opinions over the years, based on their own clinical experience, n=1 experiments etc.
Naiman even said in some interview not long ago, "Hell we may come back to just CICO soon." I just don't see how he fits the quack definition. I guess he and Attia both sell shite. I'm always wary of that. Especially those who sell fasting. Lol. I'm going to sell you literally nothing.
Eta: listened to Bass's Attia overhype thing. I don't see how overhyped necessarily means quack. I guess it's a matter of degree.
This post was edited on 2/22/22 at 10:01 pm
Posted on 2/22/22 at 8:48 pm to Jake88
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How about you don't speak about shite you don't know about, you moron. The fatty liver progressed to cirrhosis? I mean kind of and okay, but that's not even relevant. No, the alcoholic fatty liver is just that: fatty liver disease. It means I had the presence of fat/adipocytes in the liver. It was due to drinking. The cirrhosis is the permanent scarring caused by the abuse/not treating the fatty liver. You can have both at once, as is clearly shown in this picture above. This paper was from before a procedure I had late last year where my liver was looked at directly and they seemed impressed at how, other than the permanent scarring (cirrhosis), there was almost nothing wrong with it now.
My claim is that my liver recovering and looking much better than any doctor had predicted (when I first showed up with jaundice, they checked my liver out and I was informed that it was so bad I could be looking at a transplant), is due in large part to my body becoming so fat adapted through keytones that it got to a point where even the fat in my liver got "burned off." That's a very simple way of putting it so I don't confuse you, and of course other factors and lifestyle changes contributed (not drinking of course lol).
So yeah, I promise I know what I'm talking about; you can stop worrying about me hurting myself with keto or whatever stupid bs you were trying to insinuate with your ignorant take.
EDIT: And yes, before anyone asks and since I just noticed its there... The constipation is also gone.
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This post was edited on 2/22/22 at 8:58 pm
Posted on 2/22/22 at 8:52 pm to genuineLSUtiger
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Extra virgin olive oil is great for you.
At room or low temps. For normal cooking avacado and coconut oil or butter is much better and safer
Posted on 2/22/22 at 9:01 pm to ItNeverRains
So Fish oil capsules....no good?
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