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re: Being a teacher is tougher than any other job in the world

Posted on 7/30/18 at 2:08 pm to
Posted by StringedInstruments
Member since Oct 2013
21074 posts
Posted on 7/30/18 at 2:08 pm to
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And a typical teacher puts in 10-12 hours a day including grading and lesson planning when they get home.


Stop this. No we don’t. Or at least we don’t have to. Maybe a first year teacher but any teacher with experience should know how to plan ahead and stay on top of grading.
Posted by Snipe
Member since Nov 2015
17175 posts
Posted on 7/30/18 at 2:11 pm to
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“It is a difficult job. You’re warned you’re going to spend extra time grading and doing lessons plans. You teach full-time, grading part-time. I arrive at 7.30, I heave at 4.30. And I work three to four hours on the weekend.” – Jessica


She must really like her job. I usually start heaving withing 15 minutes of walking into my office. LMAO...

Back to the OT, No. teachers isn't even remotely close to the hardest job on the planet.

They're some of the biggest whiners among the teaching ranks though. So there's that...
Posted by slackster
Houston
Member since Mar 2009
91873 posts
Posted on 7/30/18 at 2:11 pm to
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I can understand that my love for children would change if I had a child. I don’t need to have experienced it to know that it’s a part of parenting. I don’t know what you mean by saying that I can’t “understand the intricacies.” If you explained those intricacies to me I’d understand. Again, I wouldn’t need the personal experiences to understand that those experiences exist and elicit particular feelings.


Parenting is all about the intricacies though. It's easy to say you'd never let your child behave a certain way, until it's actually your child.

I look back on my opinions of parenting before children and after, and I mostly laugh at how naïve I was. The sympathy I have for other parents has grown tremendously.

That will never happen regardless of how much someone explained it to me on the internet.
Posted by High C
viewing the fall....
Member since Nov 2012
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Posted on 7/30/18 at 2:13 pm to
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Pecker



Posted by ell_13
Member since Apr 2013
88420 posts
Posted on 7/30/18 at 2:13 pm to
I used to judge parents I saw fussing at their kids in public pretty harshly. Now I cheer them on.
Posted by Pecker
Rocky Top
Member since May 2015
16674 posts
Posted on 7/30/18 at 2:14 pm to
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Disagree. I don't think it's semantics or pedantic, it's just an incorrect statement.

There is an actual meaningful difference between saying I understand it and saying something like I know it's tough or hard or whatever. That's not semantics, that's 2 completely separate thoughts.


Ok so let’s do this:

Let’s say I could describe in detail what a parent of a new born must do on a daily basis. Lets say I sat down with a bunch of new parents and they talked me through their responsibilities. Let’s say I list out every single task and assign time to those tasks. Then I describe the feelings associated with those tasks (as described to me by the parents).

And then let’s say 10 other parents made similar lists, and then we gave those lists to you without your knowing who made them. Would you be able to tell who had a deeper “understanding” of taking care of a new born, and the feelings associated with it?

The point is that I don’t have to be a parent to have an understanding of what parenting entails and the feelings associated with it. And the strange thing about this whole argument is that it ultimately doesn’t matter if I do. If I have an opinion on parenting, it’s either a good one or bad one based solely on rationale. In fact, if an argument is so poor due to my lack of understanding, there would be no need to discuss my personal experimeces.
This post was edited on 7/30/18 at 2:18 pm
Posted by mindbreaker
Baton Rouge
Member since Dec 2011
7925 posts
Posted on 7/30/18 at 2:15 pm to
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People that don't want kids but act like they have a clue about the stress that is parenthood.


Yeah I get it. I don't have kids but I have a dog and that's pretty much the same thing.
Posted by slackster
Houston
Member since Mar 2009
91873 posts
Posted on 7/30/18 at 2:17 pm to
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And then let’s say 10 other parents made similar lists, and then we gave those lists to you without your knowing who made them. Would you be able to tell who had a deeper “understanding” of taking care of a new born, and the feelings associated with it?


I'd say describing what it's like to be a parent and feeling what it's like to be a parent are two distinctly different things.

Like I said earlier - people tell you you'll never love something as much as you love your child, but you don't know how that really feels until you've had your first child. Also, it's not like you feel it and you're just surprised by it, it's that you feel stupid for even thinking you knew what it was like.
Posted by ell_13
Member since Apr 2013
88420 posts
Posted on 7/30/18 at 2:18 pm to
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Let’s say I could describe in detail what a parent of a new born must do on a daily basis.
Define new born. Belly button fall off yet? Can the mother breast feed? Do you have a job? Hours? Do you have pets? Has your wife healed? Or are you not married?

That leads me to single parents. How different is the experience for them? I certainly don't pretend to understand everything they go through and my sister is included among them.
Posted by slackster
Houston
Member since Mar 2009
91873 posts
Posted on 7/30/18 at 2:18 pm to
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I used to judge parents I saw fussing at their kids in public pretty harshly. Now I cheer them on.


I find it very difficult to judge parents in public for anything these days, at least if they appear to be trying.
Posted by ell_13
Member since Apr 2013
88420 posts
Posted on 7/30/18 at 2:18 pm to
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The point is that I don’t have to be a parent to have an understanding of what parenting entails and the feelings associated with it.
Posted by S
RIP Wayde
Member since Jan 2007
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Posted on 7/30/18 at 2:19 pm to
Packer stop antagonizing Pecker.
Posted by Pecker
Rocky Top
Member since May 2015
16674 posts
Posted on 7/30/18 at 2:20 pm to
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Define new born. Belly button fall off yet? Can the mother breast feed? Do you have a job? Hours? Do you have pets? Has your wife healed? Or are you not married?

That leads me to single parents. How different is the experience for them? I certainly don't pretend to understand everything they go through and my sister is included among them.
So what you’re suggesting is that if I could explain those things then I’d know what it’s like to be a parent? That’s basically the argument that I’m making. I can go get those answers.
Posted by slackster
Houston
Member since Mar 2009
91873 posts
Posted on 7/30/18 at 2:21 pm to
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That leads me to single parents. How different is the experience for them? I certainly don't pretend to understand everything they go through and my sister is included among them.


The thing that baffles me the most about single parents is the lack of good cop/bad cop help. Toeing the line between raising a child that feels like they can be open with you while also respecting your authority seems impossible.
Posted by Displaced
Member since Dec 2011
33054 posts
Posted on 7/30/18 at 2:21 pm to
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Let’s say I could describe in detail what a parent of a new born must do on a daily basis. Lets say I sat down with a bunch of new parents and they talked me through their responsibilities. Let’s say I list out every single task and assign time to those tasks. Then I describe the feelings associated with those tasks (as described to me by the parents).

You can understand what they are going through, but you really can't understand what they are feeling, especially in the very beginning.

When we brought our son home, I was crazy emotional. I cried a lot that first week. Not from frustration, not because the baby was screaming, I really don't know why. It was lack of sleep paired with this new responsibility for another life topped with what I can only assume was a saturation by osmosis of new mom estrogen.

I can speak the words, but it's different to have those feelings come out of nowhere and not be able to verbalize why.

That was just the beginning. Some of the intricacies require going through the process to fully understand. It's not something that "What to Expect when you're Expecting" can fully prepared you for.
Posted by shel311
McKinney, Texas
Member since Aug 2004
112944 posts
Posted on 7/30/18 at 2:22 pm to
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Except, I will guarantee you have opinions that would change with experience
Is he really arguing that it's logical for him to say he knows what it's like to be a parent, but his personal experiences parenting play no factor?


Posted by lsupride87
Member since Dec 2007
112579 posts
Posted on 7/30/18 at 2:22 pm to
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that would be an emotional argument


That simply isnt true


There are multiple scenarios across many different topics where having experience will change ones opinion, because one understand a "textbook approach" isnt always applicable


There are times when you must have experience in order to fully comprehend what is at hand
Posted by shel311
McKinney, Texas
Member since Aug 2004
112944 posts
Posted on 7/30/18 at 2:23 pm to
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I can understand that my love for children would change if I had a child
That's fine, but what you're saying is that you know what that love is like...you don't.

Again, 2 entirely separate thoughts.
Posted by Nado Jenkins83
Land of the Free
Member since Nov 2012
66499 posts
Posted on 7/30/18 at 2:23 pm to
must be tough since most arent good at it
Posted by slackster
Houston
Member since Mar 2009
91873 posts
Posted on 7/30/18 at 2:24 pm to
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It's not something that "What to Expect when you're Expecting" can fully prepared you for.


Pecker reminds me of first-time expecting parents and their plans.

Those are the parents that are usually most caught off guard by what they thought they knew about parenting and what it actually entails.
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