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re: Being a teacher is tougher than any other job in the world
Posted on 7/30/18 at 1:51 pm to Pecker
Posted on 7/30/18 at 1:51 pm to Pecker
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I actually do have a clue. I know what parenthood entails - I was actually a child once with good parents who worked hard. Parenthood, and the responsibilities associated with it, isn’t some black box that we sometimes make it out to be. Parents remind you every day of how difficult it is. This isn’t a mystery
Now I really can't take you seriously. That's just a complete joke of a statement.
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Posted on 7/30/18 at 1:52 pm to Pecker
quote:
I actually do have a clue. I know what parenthood entails - I was actually a child once with good parents who worked hard. Parenthood, and the responsibilities associated with it, isn’t some black box that we sometimes make it out to be. Parents remind you every day of how difficult it is. This isn’t a mystery
Everyone tells you you'll never understand the love a parent has for their child until you have one of your own. You actually get tired of hearing it when you're expecting your first. Then, by some miracle, you're caught off guard by how much more you love your child than you could have possibly imagined.
Parenthood is full of little things like that. You can appreciate the generic idea of parenthood, but you cannot understand the intricacies unless you're a parent yourself.
This post was edited on 7/30/18 at 1:56 pm
Posted on 7/30/18 at 1:52 pm to LNCHBOX
Sorry LNCH....not used to agreeing with you I guess 
Posted on 7/30/18 at 1:52 pm to High C
Posted on 7/30/18 at 1:52 pm to JDogg33
quote:I don't believe it "needs" to be on a badge.
So why does it need to be on badge?
Posted on 7/30/18 at 1:54 pm to shel311
It doesn’t “need” to be...but a hospital may choose to decide to mandate that it is on all their badges.
Mine doesn’t....yet
Mine doesn’t....yet
Posted on 7/30/18 at 1:55 pm to Pecker
You guys have gone way too far with this.
If teaching was that hard and that miserable, why would anyone continue to do it? Especially if you’re intelligent enough to do something else. Let’s be honest, probably 2-5% of teachers are actually “there for the kids”
It speaks volumes that they have to beg people to agree with them about how hard their jobs are constantly.
If teaching was that hard and that miserable, why would anyone continue to do it? Especially if you’re intelligent enough to do something else. Let’s be honest, probably 2-5% of teachers are actually “there for the kids”
It speaks volumes that they have to beg people to agree with them about how hard their jobs are constantly.
Posted on 7/30/18 at 1:57 pm to Pecker
quote:fair enough
Being a teacher is tougher than any other job in the world
based on this premise, teachers have the worst union in the history of the known universe
This post was edited on 7/30/18 at 1:57 pm
Posted on 7/30/18 at 1:57 pm to slackster
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Everyone tells you you'll never understand the love a parent has for their child until you have one of your own. You actually get tired of hearing it when you're expecting your first. Then, by some miracle, you're caught off guard by how much more you love your child than you could have possibly imagined.
Parenthood is full of little things like that. You can appreciate the generic idea of parenthood, but you cannot understand the intricacies unless your a parent yourself.
I think most, at least from the MSB, would know that I hate cliches and those mindless things we just go with just cause.
But a great many of the cliches of parenting/having kids are spot on. They were the same cliches I blew off before I had kids, but most of them are true. Keeping with the theme of this segment of the discussion, of course you can say you know that parents love their kids more than anything in the world even if you don't have a kid. But you absolutely cannot fully grasp it or know what it's like without having a kid. As pride said, that's just common sense.
Pecker is showing, I don't know if it's just immaturity or a lack of understanding of pretty basic concepts. But it's something along those lines.
Posted on 7/30/18 at 1:57 pm to lsupride87
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You can have an understanding, a very basic one, but you absolutely cant say "i know what its like to have kids" before you are a parent
That is far too general of a statement to make
I think we’re being a little pedantic here. I don’t think it’s necessary to get into the semantics of the word “understand.”
One doesn’t have to be x to have an understanding of what x is experiencing. To say otherwise is an attempt to shut down conversation because the next logical step is to suggest that one cannot speak on the issue because one doesn’t “truly” understand it. It’s a lazy argument.
If I have a specific opinion on parenting, it doesn’t matter if I’m a parent. My opinion is either a logical one or an illogical. My personal experiences play no factor.
Posted on 7/30/18 at 2:01 pm to Rouge
I just want it known that Pecker does not represent the rest of us non parents in the thread
Posted on 7/30/18 at 2:01 pm to Pecker
quote:
If I have a specific opinion on parenting, it doesn’t matter if I’m a parent. My opinion is either a logical one or an illogical. My personal experiences play no factor.
Except, I will guarantee you have opinions that would change with experience
Posted on 7/30/18 at 2:01 pm to Pecker
quote:Disagree. I don't think it's semantics or pedantic, it's just an incorrect statement.
One doesn’t have to be x to have an understanding of what x is experiencing
There is an actual meaningful difference between saying I understand it and saying something like I know it's tough or hard or whatever. That's not semantics, that's 2 completely separate thoughts.
quote:Right, and your opinion that you know what it's like is illogical, like every parent and now non-parent is trying to tell you.
My opinion is either a logical one or an illogical.
This post was edited on 7/30/18 at 2:02 pm
Posted on 7/30/18 at 2:02 pm to slackster
quote:I can understand that my love for children would change if I had a child. I don’t need to have experienced it to know that it’s a part of parenting. I don’t know what you mean by saying that I can’t “understand the intricacies.” If you explained those intricacies to me I’d understand. Again, I wouldn’t need the personal experiences to understand that those experiences exist and elicit particular feelings.
Everyone tells you you'll never understand the love a parent has for their child until you have one of your own. You actually get tired of hearing it when you're expecting your first. Then, by some miracle, you're caught off guard by how much more you love your child than you could have possibly imagined.
Parenthood is full of little things like that. You can appreciate the generic idea of parenthood, but you cannot understand the intricacies unless you're a parent yourself.
Posted on 7/30/18 at 2:03 pm to lsupride87
quote:that would be an emotional argument
Except, I will guarantee you have opinions that would change with experience
Posted on 7/30/18 at 2:03 pm to Pecker
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My personal experiences play no factor.
Effective rhetoric relies on responding appropriately to the given situation and using all available means of persuasion. You might self-assess your logic as being valid, but you lack the ethos necessary to sway your audience.
Posted on 7/30/18 at 2:05 pm to Pecker
quote:Fully understand.
One doesn’t have to be x to have an understanding of what x is experiencing. To say otherwise is an attempt to shut down conversation because the next logical step is to suggest that one cannot speak on the issue because one doesn’t “truly” understand it.
You may know what it's like to wake up in the middle of the night sick. But you don't know what it's like to do that for a 1 year old for a week and then have to handle going to work every one of those days in the middle of a turnaround living in a trailer because your house flooded.
That's obviously anecdotal, but you seemed to have trouble understanding the general argument as well. Can you have an opinion on parenting? Of course. Will all of those opinions be "wrong" because you aren't a parent? Of course not.
But parenting isn't some large general experience that people can just pretend to "get" without actually doing it. There are unique challenges that take place over years that are difficult to describe and understand unless you've done them. That's not lazy to say that, especially since it's true.
Posted on 7/30/18 at 2:05 pm to Pecker
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All this time I thought being a lumberjack, a sanitation worker, a roofer, working on an oil rig, managing deepwater drilling projects, a firefighter, search and rescue, prison guard, Alaskan Crab fishermen, a farmer, an astronaut, etc. were difficult jobs. Little did I know how difficult teachers have it.
True those are tough jobs but most of us don't work those sorts of jobs. We are sitting in an office or driving around calling on clients while posting on TD. Teaching is very difficult since you have only a 30 minute break per day and are otherwise dealing with 25-30 kids and often 1 or 2 are on the spectrum or full-on autistic since they mainstream those kids these days. I wouldn't want to deal with 1 kid one on one with autism much less with another 25 kids to teach. There is no "down time" during the day for teachers. And a typical teacher puts in 10-12 hours a day including grading and lesson planning when they get home. They do get a nice summer but they also have to go to required training classes and meetings with their principal during the summer and they of course don't make much money. I wouldn't want to do it anymore than I would want to be a roofer, oil field worker, etc.
Posted on 7/30/18 at 2:07 pm to Pecker
This can all be boiled down to sympathizing vs empathizing.
You can basically know what it would be like to live without an arm, but you never really know what it's like till you fall off that ladder with a chainsaw.
You can basically know what it would be like to live without an arm, but you never really know what it's like till you fall off that ladder with a chainsaw.
Posted on 7/30/18 at 2:07 pm to Pecker
Is there any other profession that gets 4 months out of the year off and still gets paid a decent amount?
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