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re: Beach home in Mexico Beach, FL survives Hurricane Michael "nearly untouched"
Posted on 10/16/18 at 1:10 pm to Tigris
Posted on 10/16/18 at 1:10 pm to Tigris
quote:you always show as installed.
Concrete pilings ran me $35k including driving them in
quote:probably? how do you know?
Wooden would probably have been $25k - $30K.
quote:
Nobody is using wood here anymore.
now i know you dont know what you are talking about. there will ALWAYS be a place for timber piles. they are CHEAP compared to other applications. But some small construction there isnt much of a gap because your quantities are low while they mobe and demobe cost are similar. when you start to get into ordering hundreds and thousands of piles your cost is way different.
This post was edited on 10/16/18 at 1:14 pm
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Posted on 10/16/18 at 1:32 pm to CarRamrod
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Wooden would probably have been $25k - $30K.
probably? how do you know?
Estimate per my builder who has used them in the past. I did not get a detailed quote.
quote:
nobody is using wood here anymore.
quote:
now i know you dont know what you are talking about.
That is also per my builder, and you really don't know where "here" is (but I will say that Michael was a cat. 1 at my house). Good luck finding new construction here that is using wood pilings. I looked at a LOT of recent builds before designing my house.
Posted on 10/16/18 at 1:33 pm to MorbidTheClown
quote:
they added 1-foot thick concrete walls as well as steel cables to hold the roof steady.
Anybody have an estimate or way to estimate the difference in cost to build with these reinforcements vs standard wood pilons and roof?
This post was edited on 10/16/18 at 1:34 pm
Posted on 10/16/18 at 1:34 pm to Tigris
quote:doesnt matter. timber piles are used everywhere and will always be used everywhere because they are cheap.
That is also per my builder, and you really don't know where "here" is (but I will say that Michael was a cat. 1 at my house). Good luck finding new construction here that is using wood pilings. I looked at a LOT of recent builds before designing my house.
Posted on 10/16/18 at 2:18 pm to Roll Tide Ravens
My condo is just out of the picture to the left next to condos in the back. Unscathed.
Posted on 10/16/18 at 2:20 pm to redstick13
quote:Should be an adventure... good luck with everything.
I knew of it because my family has a place 6 miles east of Mexico Beach and another on the the cape at PSJ. We're heading down on Thursday to survey the damage to both places. We know the one on the mainland has a pine across it and the front porch is on the roof. We plan to launch in PSJ at the bridge to get to the cape. The road is completely gone so it's only water access
Posted on 10/16/18 at 2:24 pm to 2geaux
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My condo is just out of the picture to the left next to condos in the back. Unscathed.
I was gonna say this. Have you been there yet? Have engineers taken a look at it? Just curious? Looking at pictures online it looks like most structures built with concrete and steel in the past 15 years did pretty well.
But I was gonna say that there’s a decent amount of condos in Mexico beach for $200-400k each that took on a similar amount of damage as this guys beach house for a couple million.
Posted on 10/16/18 at 2:25 pm to The Mick
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Who else had never heard of Mexico Beach prior to Michael?
I was actually there for a vacation less than a month ago for the first time. There was nothing there. one store to get groceries and it was as big as a large gas station. just a couple of restaurants and thats about it. Only liquor store is in a bar 15 minutes away
Posted on 10/16/18 at 3:04 pm to NYCAuburn
there was a house on the beach in waveland, not exactly like this but supposedly hurricane proof. It was a slab with rebar tied into the walls which were foam sandwich filled with concrete (think ice cream sandwich with concrete as the ice cream with rebar tying the slab to the walls. It was only a slab after Katrina.
Posted on 10/16/18 at 3:10 pm to nolaks
quote:Katrina's surge and wave loads were much more than Michaels. This house we are talking about was above the surge. Id be willing to bet the house is only designed for wind loads and the bottom floor is the only thing designed to take surge and wave.
It was only a slab after Katrina.
Posted on 10/16/18 at 3:17 pm to Mr. Hangover
quote:
The real victory here is the fact that his wife probably nagged the frick out of him while he was building it ‘you don’t need all this extra concrete and anchor bolts blah blah blah’
I have no doubt at all.
Posted on 10/16/18 at 3:18 pm to CarRamrod
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the bottom floor is the only thing designed to take surge and wave.
The bottom floor was designed to be break-away other than the structure, which I believe is pretty standard for any new construction in a storm surge zone. So yeah the concrete structure was fine, but it's not hard to design concrete pilings to withstand surge/wave action. If they were round that's about the perfect design to withstand it.
Posted on 10/16/18 at 3:27 pm to Roll Tide Ravens
News said that it was built to withstand 250 mph winds. 
Posted on 10/16/18 at 3:35 pm to Roll Tide Ravens
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the extra structural additions that kept this home, not just intact, but practically undamaged, deserves a structural engineering award
odds are they fought him all of the way and those "structural engineers" were calling his design flawed and saying it wasnt safe.
kudos for this guy doing it right rather then the way some bureaucratic idiots say things are to be built
PS - i bet that guy with the house behind him isnt as mad that this guy blocked his beach views now, his house being built so strong that it saved that guys house too
This post was edited on 10/16/18 at 3:38 pm
Posted on 10/16/18 at 3:37 pm to ChineseBandit66
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You are wrong baw. Bigger and better. He is seeing $$ signs right now.
integrity is compromised as far as i'm concerned.
Posted on 10/16/18 at 3:39 pm to LSUBoo
quote:well yea.
The bottom floor was designed to be break-away other than the structure,
quote:not necessarily. really depends on what class the structure is in (low hazard, substantial hazard, or essential)
which I believe is pretty standard for any new construction in a storm surge zone.
quote:well the lifting loads for the piles are usually more than any lateral load because of the pile projection. and really while it isnt difficult, it is harder to design these piles acting as columns for bending.
, but it's not hard to design concrete pilings to withstand surge/wave action
quote:geometric wise yea, but prestressed piles are square.....really only cause forming a circular formed pile is just to labor intensive.
If they were round that's about the perfect design to withstand it.
This post was edited on 10/16/18 at 3:43 pm
Posted on 10/16/18 at 3:43 pm to Champagne
Round are octagon shaped houses typically do very well in high winds. Build them off the ground for storm surge.
One day I'm going to build a camp and it will have an octagon shape.
One day I'm going to build a camp and it will have an octagon shape.
Posted on 10/16/18 at 5:21 pm to CrimsonTideMD
I heard it cost about double to get it to the 250 mph rating.
Posted on 10/16/18 at 7:39 pm to nolaks
A 30ft storm surge is a little bit different than a 10ft storm surge
Posted on 10/16/18 at 7:52 pm to SeeeeK
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they are going to shite all over that area with more condos and it will end up being a tourist trap area, compared to hidden gems the area from mexico beach to cape san blas were.
Building codes will prevent that. Part of the reason 90% of this board and America never heard of it before now.
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