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re: Baton Rouge council OKs $1.7 million purchase of land in Rouzan for new library branch

Posted on 11/16/18 at 2:50 pm to
Posted by Klark Kent
Houston via BR
Member since Jan 2008
75916 posts
Posted on 11/16/18 at 2:50 pm to
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Shut it down.

The most OT post ever.

AIN'T NEED NO MORE BOOKS, PAAAAAWWWWWWLL.


i think fall's underlying argument is probably a little too complex for a simple fella like you
Posted by fallguy_1978
Best States #50
Member since Feb 2018
53814 posts
Posted on 11/16/18 at 2:51 pm to
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Shut it down. The most OT post ever. AIN'T NEED NO MORE BOOKS, PAAAAAWWWWWWLL.

Well, let's just build 100 libraries. Let's put one on every corner
Posted by LSUBoo
Knoxville, TN
Member since Mar 2006
104448 posts
Posted on 11/16/18 at 2:54 pm to
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there are exception areas for sure, but yes, the better schools in Houston are in the suburbs where they created their own ISDs. HISD is a shite show for the most part.



So in order to get the best public education for your kids you have to move out of the city and into the burbs.

Sounds a lot like Baton Rouge. Although I'm sure the average Houston suburban ISD is better than the average Baton Rouge one.
Posted by doubleb
Baton Rouge
Member since Aug 2006
43040 posts
Posted on 11/16/18 at 2:56 pm to
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yep. but the ISDs are an unfair comparison. the culture "5 hours to the west" is different than the culture in the BR public school system. Thats what certain areas of the

I believe everyone involved knows that children that do not have parents that care about education as a whole are not going to do as well in school as children who have parents that care about education and stay on their kids to learn.

What school officials want to have you believe is that they can overcome this enormous issue if you raise school taxes so they can give teachers pay raises, build new schools, repair schools, and provide better discipline which will not fix the basic problem.

EBR went this route twenty years ago and scores are still bad and schools are still failing.

Posted by Klark Kent
Houston via BR
Member since Jan 2008
75916 posts
Posted on 11/16/18 at 2:59 pm to
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Sounds a lot like Baton Rouge. Although I'm sure the average Houston suburban ISD is better than the average Baton Rouge one.


Mudminnow knows this subject backwards and forwards, but the short answer is yes.
Posted by LSUBoo
Knoxville, TN
Member since Mar 2006
104448 posts
Posted on 11/16/18 at 3:03 pm to
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Mudminnow knows this subject backwards and forwards


Yeah he works it into every post in every thread.
Posted by Klark Kent
Houston via BR
Member since Jan 2008
75916 posts
Posted on 11/16/18 at 3:05 pm to
yeah, i didn't want to out right say it a page back, but he's preaching to the choir trying to sell me on Texas education vs Louisiana education.
Posted by Mudminnow
Houston, TX
Member since Aug 2004
34216 posts
Posted on 11/16/18 at 3:16 pm to
Klark Kent would your wife be able to point us in the right direction of comparing ISDs in Houston area and baton Rouge and suburbs.

I have no statistical information regarding the quality of education. I have talked to many from Louisiana here in NW Houston. Basically all their kids had to have a tutor in several subjects for the first year to get caught up and that's coming from Zachary, Prarieville, etc.. Two of my neighbors are teachers and often said same thing and some of the private school kids in Louisiana needed tutors. Many don't believe that but just what I've been told. My oldest is 4 and in pre-K so don't have much to compare.
Posted by LSUBoo
Knoxville, TN
Member since Mar 2006
104448 posts
Posted on 11/16/18 at 3:18 pm to
The private schools here aren't any better than the top surrounding public schools.

I went from EBR public schools to the Houston suburbs without a problem, but that was 30 years ago.
Posted by Klark Kent
Houston via BR
Member since Jan 2008
75916 posts
Posted on 11/16/18 at 3:27 pm to
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Klark Kent would your wife be able to point us in the right direction of comparing ISDs in Houston area and baton Rouge and suburbs.

I have no statistical information regarding the quality of education. I have talked to many from Louisiana here in NW Houston. Basically all their kids had to have a tutor in several subjects for the first year to get caught up and that's coming from Zachary, Prarieville, etc.. Two of my neighbors are teachers and often said same thing and some of the private school kids in Louisiana needed tutors. Many don't believe that but just what I've been told. My oldest is 4 and in pre-K so don't have much to compare.


i can ask. but i doubt she would have access to that type of data. she isn't in an administrative position in the ISDs she works for. She teaches AVID (college prep) and sponsors Student Council.

but i don't doubt that there are some children from EBR and surrounding area schools that would need tutoring when moving to a good Houston area ISD. (not HISD).

I've met a few of her top ranked kids, extremely intelligent individuals who i have no doubt will succeed in college and whatever career they so choose.
Posted by LouisianaLonghorn
Austin, Texas
Member since Jan 2006
15936 posts
Posted on 11/16/18 at 4:24 pm to
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No one spends money on libraries like Baton Rouge


The Goodwood library is awesome. I'm not sure why the city needs to give that crook Spinosa any money though.
Posted by doubleb
Baton Rouge
Member since Aug 2006
43040 posts
Posted on 11/16/18 at 5:45 pm to
Do Texas counties have a plethora of libraries?
Posted by Mudminnow
Houston, TX
Member since Aug 2004
34216 posts
Posted on 11/16/18 at 6:28 pm to
Doubled, I don't think so. Most are connected to college campuses free for the public to use or attached to a museum or other venue. I will need to look into that. But I haven't seen many stand alone.

They have a bunch of classes offered for the public through the library but may be at a learning center or educational complex.
Posted by cssamerican
Member since Mar 2011
8235 posts
Posted on 11/16/18 at 6:31 pm to
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It’s pretty well known that electronic reading is absolutely horrible for information retention

Yet, school systems are doing away with books and moving to chrome books
This post was edited on 11/16/18 at 6:42 pm
Posted by SlapahoeTribe
Tiger Nation
Member since Jul 2012
12722 posts
Posted on 11/16/18 at 6:49 pm to
$1.7 million for the land

$3.4 million probably for the building

$1.0 million per year probably for a few dozen employees, ~ $5.0 million over the first several years

$0.2 million per year in utilities and maintenance, ~ $1.0 million over the first several years

Add that all up and you get over $11 million for a library... you could buy an awful lot of smart phones (20,000+) and give them to people so they could have access to the internet and find literally anything that they’d find at the library.

But people wouldn’t get their kickbacks that way.
This post was edited on 11/16/18 at 6:51 pm
Posted by wfallstiger
Wichita Falls, Texas
Member since Jun 2006
16067 posts
Posted on 11/16/18 at 6:51 pm to
The world needs another library like it needs another hole in its head
Posted by Fewer Kilometers
Baton Rouge
Member since Dec 2007
38676 posts
Posted on 11/16/18 at 7:01 pm to
I love these “libraries are stupid” threads from people who never use our libraries and so never see the throngs of people that do use them.
Posted by fallguy_1978
Best States #50
Member since Feb 2018
53814 posts
Posted on 11/16/18 at 7:06 pm to
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I love these “libraries are stupid” threads from people who never use our libraries and so never see the throngs of people that do use them

BR already has a bunch of good libraries. Why do we need to pay for more while usage is declining? There aren't many places in the city where you are more than a few miles from one now.
This post was edited on 11/16/18 at 7:10 pm
Posted by lostinbr
Baton Rouge, LA
Member since Oct 2017
12866 posts
Posted on 11/16/18 at 7:42 pm to
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I'd be good with us having 3 or 4 but we have like 15

For shits and giggles I looked at some other municipalities and their populations.

Baton Rouge (EBR Parish - 440,171): 14 branches
Mobile (Mobile County - 412,992): 9 branches
Birmingham (Jefferson County - 658,466): 19 branches
Houston (Harris County - 4,092,459): 34 branches
Austin (Travis County - 1,024,266): 23 branches
Jackson (Hinds County - 245,285): 14 branches
NOLA (Orleans Parish - 343,829): 14 branches
Lake Charles (Calcasieu Parish - 192,768): 13 branches

The bigger cities have higher population density and consequently likely have larger branches, so a better metric would have been land area.. but that was way too much work on my phone. Point being that BR doesn’t really have any more or less libraries than other cities. It’s just that the downtown branch has given everyone a sour taste (for good reason).
Posted by doubleb
Baton Rouge
Member since Aug 2006
43040 posts
Posted on 11/16/18 at 9:52 pm to
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I love these “libraries are stupid” threads from people who never use our libraries and so never see the throngs of people that do use them.


I'm not anti library, but I question whether we need so many.

If you keep given the library board more and more they are going to create ways to spend more and more. They will never tell you enough is enough.
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