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re: Base salary - how would you handle
Posted on 1/24/25 at 3:23 pm to baldona
Posted on 1/24/25 at 3:23 pm to baldona
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Tons of jobs do not, such as government workers.
I would wager public sector unions wouldn't allow that to happen anyways as it would create competition and high performers, and put on full display just how lazy/inept govt is.
Posted on 1/24/25 at 3:23 pm to BoogaBear
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This is 2 levels below me at the dev level
I agree, the\at would be hard for me to swallow. Just be tactful and let them know you noticed that your salary has apparently lagged a bit.
Posted on 1/24/25 at 3:25 pm to EyeOfTheTiger311
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These guys under you at some point negotiated a higher salary because they had a higher floor/starting point
Highly doubtful imo. If they're using Workday then they're most likely setting up job grades with corresponding salary ranges, and companies generally don't bring in inexperienced hires above median pay, yet alone the entire pay range. Nor do they set up grades so managers are paid less than their reports outside of things like highly autonomous employees. I.e. a physician of a certain specialty making more than the clinic administrator or even the chief medical officer the physician reports to.
If they're close in grades then there might be some overlap, but yeah this sounds like a more special situation.
This post was edited on 1/24/25 at 3:29 pm
Posted on 1/24/25 at 3:27 pm to BoogaBear
I paid some of my people more than I made as their director (2 or 3 levels higher than them) because they were critical to the success of my team. There isn't a rule that says you have to make more than people that report to you. They were worth it to me, and I made enough to take care of my family relatively easily. If you're providing as much or more value to the company as they are, then just quantify and articulate that, and it will take care of itself.
Just be careful with the comparison thing, because if they can replace those developers for $30 a month with AI in the near future, that might not be a fun conversation to have in the opposite direction.
Just be careful with the comparison thing, because if they can replace those developers for $30 a month with AI in the near future, that might not be a fun conversation to have in the opposite direction.
This post was edited on 1/24/25 at 3:30 pm
Posted on 1/24/25 at 3:28 pm to BoogaBear
Forget what other people are making. Are you being paid what you’re worth? If so, good. If not, seek more or new employment.
Posted on 1/24/25 at 3:30 pm to Lush
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There's a seinfeld episode about this.
Demolition Man too.

Posted on 1/24/25 at 3:30 pm to BoogaBear
I doubled my salary and got a bonus in my new role over a year ago.
This year I got the same exact raise amount from the new employer that I got from the old employer. This was above the normal standard of living wage in both companies.
Initial pay rate is the most important detail to focus on is what I learned. Don’t kill yourself quarter to quarter for a raise under ten figures. I just don’t think companies give big raises like that even if seems like they are forced to. If your bonus is related to performance then it’s your decisions that generate said bonus.
The subordinate whose pay bothers you most likely negotiated better than you did when starting there.
Did you first earn that management role for the first time in your career? If so, you’re going to stay at a bargain rate until you leave cause you’re a homegrown developed employee who is cheap to retain. You’ve accepted what they gave you thus far and they aren’t gonna change the system of that activity over your conversation.
If you didn’t become a manager in the current company then you low balled yourself.
This year I got the same exact raise amount from the new employer that I got from the old employer. This was above the normal standard of living wage in both companies.
Initial pay rate is the most important detail to focus on is what I learned. Don’t kill yourself quarter to quarter for a raise under ten figures. I just don’t think companies give big raises like that even if seems like they are forced to. If your bonus is related to performance then it’s your decisions that generate said bonus.
The subordinate whose pay bothers you most likely negotiated better than you did when starting there.
Did you first earn that management role for the first time in your career? If so, you’re going to stay at a bargain rate until you leave cause you’re a homegrown developed employee who is cheap to retain. You’ve accepted what they gave you thus far and they aren’t gonna change the system of that activity over your conversation.
If you didn’t become a manager in the current company then you low balled yourself.
Posted on 1/24/25 at 3:31 pm to threeputtforbogie
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I think the outcome is likely to be really good or really bad for you.
Fantastic analysis.
There’s also a 3rd option of a minimal impact.
Your analysis of my analysis is wonderful, as well. There are probably other hypothetically worded analyses as well, but I didn’t include any of those either. That would be because I think it will be one of the two that I did include.
Posted on 1/24/25 at 3:34 pm to baldona
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Why do people assume everyone gets performance based bonus structures?
Because OP said he was a Director.
Posted on 1/24/25 at 3:35 pm to BoogaBear
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Company term that aligns with Workday

I'm so glad I don't work for a company who peddles soft language like that.
Back to your issue, check to make sure your two new employees don't have links to your boss. If salary discussions aren't taboo, try taking advantage of the soft language culture when talking to your boss about it and mention "compensational justice".

Posted on 1/24/25 at 3:42 pm to BoogaBear
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I just had 2 development resources (non manager) transferred under me, one of which has a higher base salary than myself.
Do the resources do the same basic job as you? Is their total comp package the same?
You’re base pay at this stage in the game should only be around 50-60% of your total comp with the rest being bonus, incentive, and equity.
If structurally the other persons package is the same as yours I would say to negotiated a shite package for yourself.
Your pay should reflect the value you bring to the company and how they perceive that value. It doesn’t have anything to do with what anyone else makes.
When I ran sales teams my top sales people made more than me in salary+commissions. I made it up in bonus and equity.
Posted on 1/24/25 at 3:44 pm to BoogaBear
Look, do you want your job or not? There are 1.7 billion people in India, of which about 800 million would love to do it at half the pay and your company just needs a reason to request an H1B.
Posted on 1/24/25 at 3:45 pm to BoogaBear
Not sure why a manager should make more than the people who do the actual work.
Posted on 1/24/25 at 3:49 pm to Mid Iowa Tiger
My company doesn't start changing the salary structure until AVP which is a level above me.
At a certain grade you become bonus eligible and that bonus is % based on performance. All other factors are equal.
I understand what others are saying about negotiating a starting salary and such, and the fact that I've moved up into management at this company makes sense.
My gripe is that I run the highest performing team (before the 2 new members) year in year out. I manage more than any other director as far as resources and responsibilities. Feels like I'm being snubbed.
At a certain grade you become bonus eligible and that bonus is % based on performance. All other factors are equal.
I understand what others are saying about negotiating a starting salary and such, and the fact that I've moved up into management at this company makes sense.
My gripe is that I run the highest performing team (before the 2 new members) year in year out. I manage more than any other director as far as resources and responsibilities. Feels like I'm being snubbed.
Posted on 1/24/25 at 3:56 pm to carrguitar
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Should you be a director if you have to ask an internet college sports board what to do?
I believe he would refer to us as a 'resource'.

Posted on 1/24/25 at 4:01 pm to mikelbr
Just because you are a director doesn't mean you should make more money than ICs that report to you. They probably provide a bigger impact than you do. If you don't feel that way then approach your boss about it, but be ready to be denied. The best way to get a raise is to switch jobs or have another offer in hand.
Posted on 1/24/25 at 4:07 pm to BoogaBear
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(non manager) transferred under me, one of which has a higher base salary than myself

Posted on 1/24/25 at 4:23 pm to BoogaBear
This post must be AI. Right?
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