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re: August 17, 1943. Schweinfurt-Regensburg

Posted on 8/17/25 at 8:03 pm to
Posted by sledgehammer
SWLA
Member since Oct 2020
6811 posts
Posted on 8/17/25 at 8:03 pm to
I was on the edge of my seat watching those missions in Masters of the Air even though that doesn’t compare to the horrors they experienced up there.
Posted by sledgehammer
SWLA
Member since Oct 2020
6811 posts
Posted on 8/17/25 at 8:05 pm to
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8th Air Force Museum outside Savannah, GA
I’m interested. What’s their neatest artifact?
Posted by CharlesUFarley
Daphne, AL
Member since Jan 2022
905 posts
Posted on 8/17/25 at 8:31 pm to
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They were hell-bent on showing that the bomber would not always get through.


And The US Army Air Force Generals were hell bent on proving the bombers didn't need fighter escort and that the US did not need a long range fighter in Europe.
Posted by FightinTigersDammit
Louisiana North
Member since Mar 2006
46425 posts
Posted on 8/17/25 at 8:45 pm to
The fricking Bomber Mafia.
Posted by SoFla Tideroller
South Florida
Member since Apr 2010
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Posted on 8/17/25 at 8:57 pm to
Hap Arnold refused to allow drop tanks on P-38s.
Posted by tide06
Member since Oct 2011
20803 posts
Posted on 8/17/25 at 9:05 pm to
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People that knew LeMay said that the loss of those crews haunted him the rest of his life.

He should’ve been haunted.

Some mistakes as people learn and improve tactics and strategy are to be expected.

He had far too many errors of arrogance and political empire building, not to mention the firebombing raids that were highly questionable at best.
Posted by 87PurpleandGold
Arkansas
Member since Sep 2016
836 posts
Posted on 8/17/25 at 9:48 pm to
My Uncle Jack was a top turret gunner in a B17 on that raid. My cousin and I videod him telling stories of his missions. When he got to that one, he had to take a break. I didnt realize it at the time, but watching the video later, you could tell he was a little lost in the memory of it and was holding back the emotions of it. He saw several friends in other bombers going down in flames. His plane name was the "Miracle Tribe". Prior to WWII he was in the Marines after HS and served as a personal guard for FDR. He went with the President several times down to Warm Springs, GA. When the Japanese bombed Pearl Harbor, he went back to the Marines, but they were full by the time he got back . So he joined the new Army Air Corps. I think he was about 25 yrs old when the Schweinfurt raid occurred. He had so many stories of North Africa, England, etc. He passed in 2011 at 96 yrs old.
Posted by bigjoe1
Member since Jan 2024
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Posted on 8/17/25 at 9:53 pm to
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The early P-38s had a lot of problems in the colder European weather that didn't occur in the Pacific. Lots of engine failures.


The first 3 fighter squadrons assigned to the 15th Air Force in Italy were P-38's and they had a tough time. They were difficult to fly and maintain. One squadron commander said a flyer needed 150 or more hours to be proficient and the young guys just didn't get the hours. The 15th used the P-38's for close air support during the Anzio invasion. aerial photo recon and weather observation missions .
The Schweinfurt missions and Ploiesti mission losses suffered by the 15th started a plan in motion that became Operation Argument. A Combined Bomber Offensive by the 8th and 15th Air Forces to degrade the Luftwaffe prior to the Normandy invasion. This kicked off in Feb of 1944 when there were plenty of P-51's.
Posted by doublecutter
Member since Oct 2003
7036 posts
Posted on 8/17/25 at 10:52 pm to
There was a family friend that was on a WW2 bomber that was shot down over Germany. He managed to bail out and landed in a farmer’s field with an injured leg. A group of local Germans civilians converged on him armed with shovels and pitchforks intending to kill him. A group of German soldiers intervened and held off the citizens at gunpoint. He became a POW and survived the war. He said that those German soldiers saved his life.
Posted by DesScorp
Alabama
Member since Sep 2017
9658 posts
Posted on 8/17/25 at 11:02 pm to
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The Focke-Wulfs were a bust as fighter-bombers but were perfect for disrupting the allied bomber formations.


Yeager always said that the FW was the best Germany had, damn close to the P-51 in capability.
Posted by Mr. Misanthrope
Cloud 8
Member since Nov 2012
6349 posts
Posted on 8/17/25 at 11:08 pm to
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God Bless all the men that served in the 8th Air Force during WWII, and a special blessing on those that gave all.

Amen.

My pastor who married Mrs M and me (46 years this past 11 August) was a B-17 pilot.

He was lead bomber pilot on the first daylight raid on Berlin. There are several videos used in the television show 12 O’clock High and maybe the movie that show his aircraft taking off. He’s deceased now and I can’t remember its name or nose art or aircraft number. I think this is one video at about:18 seconds in

I remember a scene from Masters of the Air that was a panoramic view of the sky from the cockpit that was filled with falling debris, expended shell casings, burning aircraft and bailed out men falling through the formation. Over dinner prior to my marriage he described to me virtually the exact scene.

Obviously that level of horror was seen time and time again by different men at different times and the filmmakers captured accurately what the aircrews saw and remembered.

My uncle Bud was a mechanic and crew chief responsible to keep an aircraft flying and clean up the blood and guts.
Posted by stelly1025
Lafayette
Member since May 2012
9907 posts
Posted on 8/18/25 at 2:22 am to
My mother in law was 2 and lived near Regensburg close the factory. After the bombing her mother had to gather her and her new born brother and bring them in a wagon with whatever she had to Schniattenbach about 50 miles away to family (if you were in Graf or Vilseck you may know the town). My wife said her grandmother hoarded towels and was always paranoid about losing her house.
Posted by FightinTigersDammit
Louisiana North
Member since Mar 2006
46425 posts
Posted on 8/18/25 at 8:33 am to
The 190 was actually a pretty good ground attack machine. A lot of Stuka units transitioned into 190s in the latter stages of the war.
Posted by tigeraddict
Baton Rouge
Member since Mar 2007
14442 posts
Posted on 8/18/25 at 9:06 am to
My wife's grandfather was on part of another Disastrous August Bomber mission in WWII.

He was part of Operation Tidal Wave (Pilot of a B-24 targeting Ploiesti oil fields)

From talking with my father in law, he was not on the initial wave to hit, so the germans/Romanians knew they were at low altitude. he directed his group to bomb from a higher altitude. His plane was shot up and he had wounded, but made it back to base.

Upon returning the north africa, his commander threatened to court marshall him. He told his commander to either court marshall him or send him back out. he came here to kill germans and bring his crew home, said he did both on the mission.

Side note, the grandfather was of german descent with a German last name.....

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Posted by geauxpurple
New Orleans
Member since Jul 2014
16665 posts
Posted on 8/18/25 at 10:31 am to
Regensburg

I was there in April as a stop on a river cruise. In fact it was Easter Sunday. I posted on here about my lunch at a 900 year old restaurant, one of the oldest in the world, after we attended mass at the cathedral.
We were told that, unlike some of the other places we visited, Regensburg’s Old Town was well preserved because they were largely spared the bombings of WWII.
Posted by AUTimbo
Member since Sep 2011
3234 posts
Posted on 8/18/25 at 11:03 am to
I’ve never seen the ranges of our WW2 fighters displayed so clearly. Really gives perspective to what a gamechanger the Mustang was
Posted by Reagan80
Earth
Member since Feb 2023
1945 posts
Posted on 8/18/25 at 11:12 am to
They flew daylight missions while the RAF flew at night.
Posted by FightinTigersDammit
Louisiana North
Member since Mar 2006
46425 posts
Posted on 8/18/25 at 9:53 pm to
I first read about this mission 50ish years ago.
I make this thread every year in remembrance.
Thanks to those of you who contributed.
Posted by Riverside
Member since Jul 2022
8681 posts
Posted on 8/18/25 at 10:01 pm to
I never grow tired of learning about WW2. If you have YouTube TV, there is an amazing channel called World at War. It’s nothing but documentaries on WW2 with some Vietnam and Korean War documentaries interspersed. They had one recently on the history of the Luftwaffe throughout the war.
Posted by PikesPeak
The Penalty Box
Member since Apr 2022
957 posts
Posted on 8/18/25 at 10:03 pm to
The really sad part is the bombing of industry, spending all those lives, really did nothing but marginally slow down their production capabilities. Albert Speer was genius level efficient and had most of these locations back up and running within weeks, necessitating many repeats of extremely harrowing missions.

I used to think the air war was this massive noble undertaking. After reading Masters of the Air, you realize just how fruitless it was in the grand scheme of things. Air superiority is one aspect, sure…but to say we bombed them out of the ability to make war is just factually inaccurate. And that’s a lot of men lost for that.
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