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Posted on 7/10/20 at 11:37 pm to Mike da Tigah
Maybe going to Afghanistan was a bad idea
Posted on 7/10/20 at 11:44 pm to Shaun176
You are so right.
Posted on 7/10/20 at 11:50 pm to brass2mouth
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Our military system is already broken.
Whole thing needs to be purged and overhauled Joe Stalin style.
Posted on 7/10/20 at 11:59 pm to OleWar
Thanks for your service but I agree with you about Iraq and Afghanistan. Saddam was a lose cannon but was put in his place after the Gulf War. The Middle East is better with a secular strong man in charge to keep people in line. Without that, as we can see, terrorism runs free and everything is in chaos. Afghanistan was just a shite hole we should not have been in. Nothing of value and the natives will never change. And then Bin Laden was in fricking Pakistan the entire time. I know we needed an enemy after 9/11 but we bungled the entire thing. Should have gone after the Saudis for planning and funding 9/11, but they give us that sweet sweet oil so they get off scot free. Whole thing was a crock of shite.
Posted on 7/11/20 at 12:07 am to Mike da Tigah
Hillary strikes again
Posted on 7/11/20 at 12:15 am to biohzrd
I was thinking that just special forces should be deployed to middle East
Posted on 7/11/20 at 7:30 am to Mid Iowa Tiger
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Not the thread to be an a-hole in.
then you misunderstand the post entirely
Posted on 7/11/20 at 7:33 am to red sox fan 13
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Bin Laden was in fricking Pakistan the entire time.
This is false
Posted on 7/11/20 at 8:22 am to Philzilla2k
How do veteran suicide rates compare to civilian suicide rates?
Posted on 7/11/20 at 8:37 am to hashtag
I have read on this as it bothers me.
It seems many have tough times coming to grip with the evil of war.
At home they are usually great and helpful and normal people.
In war they do hellish things.
Coming home they struggle with the evil they saw come out in their fight. Being able to accept that a propensity to evil can be in all of us.
That duality has to be able to be accepted. This along with survivors guilt makes it tough to transition.
They need to be told it's ok what they did to survive and complete their mission. All humans are programmed to survived. We don't like to believe there can be darkness and violence is each one of us.
Accept it and do their best to move on.
One thing people don't appreciate is how much fighting time there is now. In WWII a person in a year had about 31-35 days fighting. Travel time was so slow and things moved slow.
By Vietnam with the addition of the helicopter the time spent in combat in a tour was up to 270ish...
Jordan Peterson has spoken about the duality of men with the good and evil and PTSD.
It seems many have tough times coming to grip with the evil of war.
At home they are usually great and helpful and normal people.
In war they do hellish things.
Coming home they struggle with the evil they saw come out in their fight. Being able to accept that a propensity to evil can be in all of us.
That duality has to be able to be accepted. This along with survivors guilt makes it tough to transition.
They need to be told it's ok what they did to survive and complete their mission. All humans are programmed to survived. We don't like to believe there can be darkness and violence is each one of us.
Accept it and do their best to move on.
One thing people don't appreciate is how much fighting time there is now. In WWII a person in a year had about 31-35 days fighting. Travel time was so slow and things moved slow.
By Vietnam with the addition of the helicopter the time spent in combat in a tour was up to 270ish...
Jordan Peterson has spoken about the duality of men with the good and evil and PTSD.
This post was edited on 7/11/20 at 8:38 am
Posted on 7/11/20 at 8:57 am to Mike da Tigah
Military tempo is wayyyyyy too high. I just don't get it. Makes no sense. Only thing I can think of is that it makes those high up look good.
RIP. True hero
RIP. True hero
This post was edited on 7/11/20 at 8:58 am
Posted on 7/11/20 at 10:46 am to dvick03
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There are good days as well as bad ones, but trying to be better every day so I can remain present in my children’s lives has is what I think about every day to try and keep myself from veering off too far in the wrong direction.
Could not have put it better myself.
Posted on 7/11/20 at 10:56 am to dvick03
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But I know that every day there are people who appear to be the some of the toughest in the world and people look up to them for believing they are lose the battle within themselves with no sign of a struggle on the outside.
I have no experience in war. But I've lost a few friends to suicide.
None were expected.
The most worrisome was a guy I was friends with overseas. Good guy. Both of us were in it for the money and just wanted to be home. We spent countless nights drinking and laughing. Hiding the fact that we were miserable. We talked about family a lot. Missing being home. But no mention of what it was doing to us.
We were finally going home for a few weeks for a late Christmas. He committed suicide the night before we left. I left and never went back to work.
I've never met his dad, or kids, or any of his family. But I hope they know he loved them more than anything. The world just has a way of making you feel like you're carrying it sometimes.
Posted on 7/11/20 at 10:59 am to Mike da Tigah
RIP Sarge
Posted on 7/11/20 at 11:00 am to Cracker
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How about not paying every hostess from Applebee’s 800-900 a week unemployment and using that money to get these folks the help they need.
Why can't the defense department pay for the VA?
Why do they have to be funded from general funds?
Posted on 7/11/20 at 11:48 am to Champagne
I agree
This war should have ended at least 10 years ago.
Let the native Pashtuns fight each other like they always have done.
Thank God, I only had one tour there and then decided to go back to school after my enlistment was over
This war should have ended at least 10 years ago.
Let the native Pashtuns fight each other like they always have done.
Thank God, I only had one tour there and then decided to go back to school after my enlistment was over
Posted on 7/11/20 at 3:38 pm to X123F45
It certainly does, an unfortunately it is too much to carry for some. It’s not easy go back home to try to pick up where you left off and expect everything to be the same, because the fact of the matter is, it will never be the same again. And some get overwhelmed with fear of going back home because they know things won’t be the way they remembered and decide they would be better off not going home and starting over. My son was 5 months old the first time I left and was gone 13 months. After I was home, any time he heard the word dad he would try to go to the computer to look for me. He could not understand that I was the same person, just physically with him at that point, because he didn’t know who I was. That lasted almost a month. That’s a tough thing to deal with and some people just can’t take that.
There’s a reason people who have been on more than one or two deployments have more than likely made a decision to keep going back. Sure, you have the war junkies out there. But it’s not just the experience of combat that has an effect on people mentally. You come back home after being gone so long and realize that life at home went on without you and almost feel like you’re not needed there anymore because everyone has learned how to continue their life without you there. You think and talk about home but you only remember the way it was when you left. Then once you get there you realize that everything you remembered about it is now different and you have to try to fit into the life of your family that has learned to live without you. I got home from my last deployment 5 years ago, but if someone told me I could go back tomorrow and continue right where it left off for another year, I would do it with no hesitation. It’s a much easier life to live with far fewer worries than there are being at home. You know what you need to do in order to deal with any situations you may encounter. Life at home is not so simple. On top of already feeling like they are no longer needed at home, sadly it leaves some to feel like adjusting to that new life is just not possible.
There’s a reason people who have been on more than one or two deployments have more than likely made a decision to keep going back. Sure, you have the war junkies out there. But it’s not just the experience of combat that has an effect on people mentally. You come back home after being gone so long and realize that life at home went on without you and almost feel like you’re not needed there anymore because everyone has learned how to continue their life without you there. You think and talk about home but you only remember the way it was when you left. Then once you get there you realize that everything you remembered about it is now different and you have to try to fit into the life of your family that has learned to live without you. I got home from my last deployment 5 years ago, but if someone told me I could go back tomorrow and continue right where it left off for another year, I would do it with no hesitation. It’s a much easier life to live with far fewer worries than there are being at home. You know what you need to do in order to deal with any situations you may encounter. Life at home is not so simple. On top of already feeling like they are no longer needed at home, sadly it leaves some to feel like adjusting to that new life is just not possible.
Posted on 7/11/20 at 4:00 pm to magildachunks
Why do my tax dollars pay for new rims on a Lexus owned by someone who has never even filled out a job application?
The defense budget is there to pay the shitty salary for someone who risks their life fighting for what they love, as well as the training and equipment to give them the best chance of coming back home to their loved ones. And so they can continue to work and pay taxes to provide those who, have no intention of working to survive, a free place to live and free food on their tables.
How about instead of using the defense budget (which is never as much as it should be) for The VA or other veteran care, we put a 30 day limit on unemployment or only pay it to someone who is actively seeking employment. And put some restrictions on food stamps that won’t allow someone to go purchase 30 pounds of boiled crawfish at $4 a pound when there are people who work 60+ hours a week and can’t even afford to buy 2 pounds. Then we can take all of those excess funds from the ones milking that free ride and put into veterans who made a decision to give their own life it if was asked of them in order to provide them with anything they may need. That seems like a much better option of fund appropriations than pulling money from the defense budget that is there to keep people like yourself safe at night and not have to live in fear like many in this world do.
But unfortunately, the country is at a point now where there are too many who think the way you do and want to keep giving more to the ones who refuse to do jack shite with their life and in reality deserve NOTHING!
The defense budget is there to pay the shitty salary for someone who risks their life fighting for what they love, as well as the training and equipment to give them the best chance of coming back home to their loved ones. And so they can continue to work and pay taxes to provide those who, have no intention of working to survive, a free place to live and free food on their tables.
How about instead of using the defense budget (which is never as much as it should be) for The VA or other veteran care, we put a 30 day limit on unemployment or only pay it to someone who is actively seeking employment. And put some restrictions on food stamps that won’t allow someone to go purchase 30 pounds of boiled crawfish at $4 a pound when there are people who work 60+ hours a week and can’t even afford to buy 2 pounds. Then we can take all of those excess funds from the ones milking that free ride and put into veterans who made a decision to give their own life it if was asked of them in order to provide them with anything they may need. That seems like a much better option of fund appropriations than pulling money from the defense budget that is there to keep people like yourself safe at night and not have to live in fear like many in this world do.
But unfortunately, the country is at a point now where there are too many who think the way you do and want to keep giving more to the ones who refuse to do jack shite with their life and in reality deserve NOTHING!
Posted on 7/11/20 at 4:05 pm to Mike da Tigah
War really is hell.
Watch the Afganistan documentary Restrepo to get a taste.
Watch the Afganistan documentary Restrepo to get a taste.
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