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re: Argentine submarine missing at sea

Posted on 11/22/17 at 8:27 am to
Posted by Sarge
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Posted on 11/22/17 at 8:27 am to
Still think U571 was the best sub historical event. Still love that movie
Posted by BRIllini07
Baton Rouge, LA
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Posted on 11/22/17 at 8:39 am to
quote:

Still think U571 was the best sub historical event. Still love that movie


Go to the U-505 museum at the Museum of Science and Industry in Chicago.
Posted by BRIllini07
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Member since Feb 2015
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Posted on 11/22/17 at 8:54 am to
This morning's glimpse of hope seems to be false alarm (only source I could find)

The Sun (UK)
Posted by terd ferguson
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Posted on 11/22/17 at 8:56 am to
I just found this on some Argentine news site:

quote:

Despite the fact that in the last few hours several media had reported that a "heat spot" had been detected that could indicate the whereabouts of the missing Argentine submarine, Captain Enrique Balbi has indicated that "there is no trace of ARA San Juan"


shite
Posted by BRIllini07
Baton Rouge, LA
Member since Feb 2015
3211 posts
Posted on 11/28/17 at 11:37 am to
Bump...

Now presumed to be sunk with all lives lost.

Still a lot of dots to connect though, if taking a little bit of water in through the snorkel caused a battery fire every sub that ever existed would be sitting at the bottom of the ocean.

quote:

On Monday, before the leaked document was broadcast, Captain Enrique Balbi, the Navy spokesperson, told a press briefing that the sub had reported “the entry of water through the snorkel, a short circuit and the beginnings of a fire, which for us is smoke without flames. It was corrected, they isolated the battery and navigated with another circuit, it was being propelled with the circuit of the stern”.


Telegraph (UK) Article
Posted by HeyHeyHogsAllTheWay
Member since Feb 2017
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Posted on 11/28/17 at 11:52 am to
Who even knew Argentina had a Navy, let alone a submarine?
Posted by bubblehead26
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Posted on 11/28/17 at 12:48 pm to
I'm sure terd and other bubbleheads can agree with me when I assume that their training program is nowhere near par with the US Navy's. A small incident can quickly turn deadly if there are incompetent operators.

Was hoping the best for them. Now they'll be on eternal patrol
This post was edited on 11/28/17 at 12:49 pm
Posted by JetFuelTyga
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Posted on 11/28/17 at 12:53 pm to
Valientes del ARA San Juan Estamos con ustedes!!!
Posted by Tigeralum2008
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Posted on 11/28/17 at 1:01 pm to
quote:

I'm sure terd and other bubbleheads can agree with me when I assume that their training program is nowhere near par with the US Navy's. A small incident can quickly turn deadly if there are incompetent operators.


I'm almost certain this was a "yard goof" related to their recent battery replacement. It appears it was done "on the cheap"

Unfortunately, the crew of the San Juan are not the first and won't be the last crew to perish due to shipyard related dumbassery
This post was edited on 11/28/17 at 1:02 pm
Posted by BRIllini07
Baton Rouge, LA
Member since Feb 2015
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Posted on 11/28/17 at 1:16 pm to
quote:

I'm almost certain this was a "yard goof" related to their recent battery replacement. It appears it was done "on the cheap"


Not sealing up the cable trays into/out of the battery wells might do it. I wouldn't think the main bus cables pass anywhere near snorkel mast drains to but I don't know the layout of the sub. Maybe some instrument cables or lighting cables share a tray between the battery wells and the sump for the snorkel mast?
Posted by bubblehead26
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Posted on 11/28/17 at 1:23 pm to
Nothing made my butt clench like seeing a ton of water pour into the sump, hear the head valve shut, and feel the viewing window suck inward. Talk about some popping ears too. Thank goodness for LPEs, we never had to ventilate much anymore
Posted by Tigeralum2008
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Posted on 11/28/17 at 1:29 pm to
quote:

Nothing made my butt clench like seeing a ton of water pour into the sump, hear the head valve shut, and feel the viewing window suck inward. Talk about some popping ears too. Thank goodness for LPEs, we never had to ventilate much anymore



The most "dangerous" situation I experienced in my coner days was when we overfilled the sump and water backchanneld up the snorkel and into the ventilation room.

Imagine filling the ventilation compartment with 3' of water. Swamping blowers and turning them into pumps distributing seawater through the heating/AC ducts all over the ship.

One junior sailor earned a Navy Commendation Medal for his quick thinking to shut the battery well ducts and access hatch prior to seawater making it into the battery well.

Had he not closed the valve and hatch, we would have had chlorine gas in the forward compartment.
Posted by BRIllini07
Baton Rouge, LA
Member since Feb 2015
3211 posts
Posted on 11/28/17 at 1:36 pm to
A diesel-electric sub has no choice but to snorkel daily too (probably daily? maybe more if they restocked that thing with cheap batteries).

Posted by BRIllini07
Baton Rouge, LA
Member since Feb 2015
3211 posts
Posted on 11/28/17 at 1:46 pm to
quote:

The most "dangerous" situation I experienced in my coner days was when we overfilled the sump and water backchanneld up the snorkel and into the ventilation room.

Imagine filling the ventilation compartment with 3' of water. Swamping blowers and turning them into pumps distributing seawater through the heating/AC ducts all over the ship.

One junior sailor earned a Navy Commendation Medal for his quick thinking to shut the battery well ducts and access hatch prior to seawater making it into the battery well.

Had he not closed the valve and hatch, we would have had chlorine gas in the forward compartment.


Yikes, yeah that's worse than what we ever had. We had an O2 generator that barely worked, so we spent our share of time ventilating.
Posted by TrueTiger
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Posted on 11/28/17 at 1:53 pm to
Reminds me of that Thomas Dolby song, One of our Submarines is Missing.

Anyone else recall that one?
Posted by IT_Dawg
Georgia
Member since Oct 2012
26809 posts
Posted on 11/17/18 at 7:38 am to
They have found the sub

quote:

Argentina's navy announced early Saturday that searchers had found the missing submarine ARA San Juan deep in the Atlantic a year after it disappeared with 44 crewmen aboard.


quote:

The vessel was detected more than 2,600 feet deep in waters off the Valdes Peninsula in Argentine Patagonia, the statement said.


quote:

The discovery was announced just two days after families of the missing sailors held a commemoration one year after the sub disappeared on Nov. 15, 2017.



LINK
This post was edited on 11/17/18 at 7:47 am
Posted by CelticDog
Member since Apr 2015
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Posted on 11/17/18 at 8:16 am to
This was a grim way to wake up.

Posted by OMLandshark
Member since Apr 2009
120445 posts
Posted on 11/17/18 at 8:18 am to
quote:

Argentina has a submarine in its navy?


They got a huge shipment of U-Boats in 1945.
Posted by dbuchanon
Member since Nov 2014
21044 posts
Posted on 11/17/18 at 8:32 am to
quote:

The Hunt for Red October is literally the first thing I thought about when I saw the thread title.

Posted by cable
Member since Oct 2018
9735 posts
Posted on 11/17/18 at 8:35 am to
Why would any sane woman want to do that?
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