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re: Argentine submarine missing at sea
Posted on 11/17/17 at 11:39 pm to Orange_and_Blur
Posted on 11/17/17 at 11:39 pm to Orange_and_Blur
More or less stupid than saying a US sub accidentally shot a torpedo?
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Posted on 11/17/17 at 11:43 pm to Tigeralum2008
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I bet you were a popular guy in your unit. Not for your personality but for your willingness to take a dick in the arse
Keep 'em coming, dude. At some point you're going to strike comedy gold here. Law of probability, right?
Posted on 11/17/17 at 11:43 pm to Tigeralum2008
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Not for your personality but for your willingness to take a dick in the arse
A true navy man
Posted on 11/17/17 at 11:44 pm to terd ferguson
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More or less stupid than saying a US sub accidentally shot a torpedo?
You are definitely more stupid.
Posted on 11/17/17 at 11:45 pm to terd ferguson
Oh thank goodness. I was tied in knots...
Posted on 11/17/17 at 11:47 pm to terd ferguson
Are you two guys sending PMs to each other to coordinate your responses or are you able to figure all of this out on your own?
Posted on 11/17/17 at 11:55 pm to Orange_and_Blur
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Are you two guys sending PMs to each other to coordinate your responses or are you able to figure all of this out on your own?
No need to coordinate shite. If you want to act like an arrogant prick then go right ahead.
I’ll go ahead a take a number for the line of individuals waiting to piss on your grave.
This post was edited on 11/17/17 at 11:55 pm
Posted on 11/21/17 at 1:16 pm to Tigeralum2008
Bump
Updated information: CNN
The country's naval spokesman, Galeazzi, said Monday the captain of the San Juan reported a "failure" in the vessel's battery system shortly before it disappeared.
After the captain reported the sub had experienced a "short circuit," he was told to "change course and return to Mar del Plata," said Galeazzi, speaking from the naval base in Mar de Plata. This type of damage is considered routine and the vessel's crew was reported safe, he added.
The navy had one more communication with the captain before the sub went missing, said Galeazzi, who did not mention the content of that final communication.
If these sailors are still alive, they have about 2 days worth of oxygen left.
Assuming the sub is found, how will crew members be rescued?
Even if the sub is located it could take several days to get a rescue vessel there, Graham said. This is problematic when oxygen supplies are diminishing, especially when surface conditions are so rough.
"It's difficult to operate in 8-meter (26 feet) waves," he said. Adding to the difficulties of a rescue, we currently "don't know what depth it is located, (and) how precarious the state of the hull could be."
The condition of the sub, assuming its resting on the continental shelf, is also of key concern.
"The sunk submarine needs to be sitting upright -- or nearly so -- on the sea floor so the rescue hatch(es) can be easily reached and docked with," Layton said. "The sea floor, though, is not flat. If the submarine is lying at an acute angle, docking could be hard."
Reed says that the US' Pressurized Rescue Module (PRM) rescue sub "can dock with a (disabled submarine) up to a 45° angle."
Updated information: CNN
The country's naval spokesman, Galeazzi, said Monday the captain of the San Juan reported a "failure" in the vessel's battery system shortly before it disappeared.
After the captain reported the sub had experienced a "short circuit," he was told to "change course and return to Mar del Plata," said Galeazzi, speaking from the naval base in Mar de Plata. This type of damage is considered routine and the vessel's crew was reported safe, he added.
The navy had one more communication with the captain before the sub went missing, said Galeazzi, who did not mention the content of that final communication.
If these sailors are still alive, they have about 2 days worth of oxygen left.
Assuming the sub is found, how will crew members be rescued?
Even if the sub is located it could take several days to get a rescue vessel there, Graham said. This is problematic when oxygen supplies are diminishing, especially when surface conditions are so rough.
"It's difficult to operate in 8-meter (26 feet) waves," he said. Adding to the difficulties of a rescue, we currently "don't know what depth it is located, (and) how precarious the state of the hull could be."
The condition of the sub, assuming its resting on the continental shelf, is also of key concern.
"The sunk submarine needs to be sitting upright -- or nearly so -- on the sea floor so the rescue hatch(es) can be easily reached and docked with," Layton said. "The sea floor, though, is not flat. If the submarine is lying at an acute angle, docking could be hard."
Reed says that the US' Pressurized Rescue Module (PRM) rescue sub "can dock with a (disabled submarine) up to a 45° angle."
Posted on 11/21/17 at 1:39 pm to Tigeralum2008
Only 2 submarines of that class completed 30+ years ago by a now defunct German company. Little to no chance any quality OEM parts available.
Look at the economics of the recent 'Upgrade':
It looks like Argentinian minimum wage was roughly $1/hour or so at that time (although hard to pin down exactly). So even if all of that labor was at minimum wage that does not leave much money left for quality parts. $7 million is NOTHING for submarine batteries and 4 diesel engines (and they only have that much money to spend on parts IF all of the labor was done at minimum wage, if some of that labor was at above minimum wage, that's even worse parts).
Wikipedia Article
ETA: Cutting a submarine pressure hull in half and welding it back together is a highly critical skill and requires precision cutting, surface prep, and welding in addition to thorough inspection. A hull failure coming out of a low-budget overhaul is not out of the question.
Look at the economics of the recent 'Upgrade':
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The upgrade cost around 100 million pesos ($12.4 million) and comprised more than 500,000 work hours during which the submarine was cut in half and had its four MTU engines and batteries replaced
It looks like Argentinian minimum wage was roughly $1/hour or so at that time (although hard to pin down exactly). So even if all of that labor was at minimum wage that does not leave much money left for quality parts. $7 million is NOTHING for submarine batteries and 4 diesel engines (and they only have that much money to spend on parts IF all of the labor was done at minimum wage, if some of that labor was at above minimum wage, that's even worse parts).
Wikipedia Article
ETA: Cutting a submarine pressure hull in half and welding it back together is a highly critical skill and requires precision cutting, surface prep, and welding in addition to thorough inspection. A hull failure coming out of a low-budget overhaul is not out of the question.
This post was edited on 11/21/17 at 1:45 pm
Posted on 11/21/17 at 1:44 pm to GeauxxxTigers23
Bet that fricker is smelling up with rotting corpses.
Gonna be something out of Dead Space creepy.
Gonna be something out of Dead Space creepy.
Posted on 11/21/17 at 1:46 pm to Tigeralum2008
I wonder how their emergency equipment compares to ours? Do they have O2 canisters and other backups for atmosphere control?
That would be a fricked up way to die. Sitting down there with plenty of food and water just waiting for your breathable air to run out. I'm still hoping our URC is able to find them and get them out... but it's not looking good. And apparently the sea state has been dogshit the entire time they've been searching.
That would be a fricked up way to die. Sitting down there with plenty of food and water just waiting for your breathable air to run out. I'm still hoping our URC is able to find them and get them out... but it's not looking good. And apparently the sea state has been dogshit the entire time they've been searching.
Posted on 11/21/17 at 2:05 pm to BRIllini07
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ETA: Cutting a submarine pressure hull in half and welding it back together is a highly critical skill and requires precision cutting, surface prep, and welding in addition to thorough inspection. A hull failure coming out of a low-budget overhaul is not out of the question.
Shipyard goofs lead to the US Navy losing a submarine
lead to a new safety certification system called SUBSAFE
This post was edited on 11/21/17 at 2:29 pm
Posted on 11/21/17 at 2:09 pm to terd ferguson
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I wonder how their emergency equipment compares to ours? Do they have O2 canisters and other backups for atmosphere control?
That would be a fricked up way to die. Sitting down there with plenty of food and water just waiting for your breathable air to run out. I'm still hoping our URC is able to find them and get them out... but it's not looking good. And apparently the sea state has been dog shite the entire time they've been searching.
Do foreign subs have escape trunks? I'm not dying without at least trying to get get back to the surface. Granted if they are in 700+' feet of water their fate is sealed inside
This post was edited on 11/21/17 at 2:09 pm
Posted on 11/21/17 at 2:15 pm to Tigeralum2008
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Do foreign subs have escape trunks?
Not sure about escape trunks... but I think all NATO subs are compatible with DSRV/SRDRS.
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Granted if they are in 700+' feet of water their fate is sealed inside
I used to love seeing that chart in the escape trunks that showed how much time you had to reach the surface at various depths for survival. It stopped around 700 feet and had 0. They really could have left that one off.
This post was edited on 11/21/17 at 2:17 pm
Posted on 11/21/17 at 2:15 pm to MyNameIsNobody
Looks like the chick who was lost on that sailboat for 5 months.
Posted on 11/21/17 at 2:18 pm to TheIndulger
Nah, I’m good
Posted on 11/21/17 at 2:26 pm to Tigeralum2008
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lead to a new safety certifacation system called SUBSAFE
Yeah, I was thinking of Thresher and the comparison between Thresher and Bonefish/San Francisco.
Posted on 11/21/17 at 2:36 pm to ReauxlTide222
You do have to wonder if the "frick it, we're all dead anyway, let's go out with a (gang)bang" has been scheduled in crews mess yet.
Posted on 11/21/17 at 2:38 pm to BRIllini07
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Thresher
I have a group of items that belonged to a lady who had a son that died on the Thresher. Telegrams, condolence letters from various officials, newspapers, etc.
When I got them everything was stuck in one of those old photo albums. I have since removed it all and put it in an archival album.
Posted on 11/21/17 at 2:40 pm to terd ferguson
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