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re: Argentine submarine missing at sea
Posted on 11/21/17 at 2:42 pm to Tigeralum2008
Posted on 11/21/17 at 2:42 pm to Tigeralum2008
What a shitty way to die.
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Posted on 11/21/17 at 2:44 pm to terd ferguson
Wow, That's an incredible collection.
Posted on 11/21/17 at 2:46 pm to Tigeralum2008
It means a lot to me (and I'm sure to you as well). Eventually I plan on passing it along to one of the submarine museums.
Posted on 11/21/17 at 2:55 pm to TheIndulger
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Imagine being a reasonably decent looking woman on a submarine full of men
Agreed. Seaman all over that sub.
Posted on 11/21/17 at 2:59 pm to Chucktown_Badger
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Agreed. Seaman all over that sub.
At least the socks will get a break every now and then
Posted on 11/21/17 at 3:00 pm to Tigeralum2008
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At least the socks will get a break every now and then
They were on the way back in so it was already past the BOCOD
Posted on 11/21/17 at 3:02 pm to Tigeralum2008
From the Wiki on the Thresher:
At least it was fast. Still disturbing as hell though. So I guess the implosion crushed the crew?
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According to Rule the SOSUS data indicates an implosion of Thresher at 09:18:24, at a depth of 2,400 feet (730 m), 400 feet (120 m) below its predicted collapse depth. The implosion took 0.1 seconds, too fast for the human nervous system to perceive
At least it was fast. Still disturbing as hell though. So I guess the implosion crushed the crew?
Posted on 11/21/17 at 3:05 pm to boxcarbarney
The way it was always explained to me was that the amount of pressure needed to create an implosion on a submarine would superheat the air and basically cook you instantly. You would be dead before the water ever hit you.
Posted on 11/21/17 at 3:08 pm to terd ferguson
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submarine would superheat the air and basically cook you instantly.
Guess that's why the sailors remains were not recovered.
This post was edited on 11/21/17 at 3:08 pm
Posted on 11/21/17 at 3:10 pm to Tigeralum2008
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At least the socks will get a break every now and then
Off Topic: I once got relieved by a guy who accidentally put on his love sock. He made it to about 3 hours into the watch before needing a head break due to his left foot developing an itch.
Lesson: Always roll your fresh socks in pairs that way you're not rushed trying to assemble a pair of socks from individuals, especially if you're the type of person that doesn't like getting out of bed at the 1st wake up.
Posted on 11/21/17 at 3:12 pm to terd ferguson
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The way it was always explained to me was that the amount of pressure needed to create an implosion on a submarine would superheat the air and basically cook you instantly. You would be dead before the water ever hit you.
Those guys would have known for several minutes that that they weren't going to make it, though. The ones implementing the emergency procedures at least had something to occupy their mind. The others just had to sit there and wait.
Did they ever figure out what happened to Scorpion? Equipment malfunction? Sviet black op?
Posted on 11/21/17 at 3:16 pm to ThatMakesSense
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Guess that's why the sailors remains were not recovered.
They probably wouldn't have been recovered in any case. More often than not, sunken vessels are left as they are and listed as a grave site.
The Thresher went down during sea trials and had a surface ship monitoring them. The surface vessel actually received communications from the Thresher as the casualty began. They were more than likely still intact when they reached crush depth resulting in an implosion. One of the crew members of the surface ship actually testified to hearing popping sounds (Thresher imploding) through their undersea communications. No one else reported hearing that though.
When they investigated the wreckage of the Scorpion damage they found that the engine room had pushed 50 feet into the forward compartment. That gives an example of the amount of force you're dealing with.
Posted on 11/21/17 at 3:17 pm to BRIllini07
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Off Topic: I once got relieved by a guy who accidentally put on his love sock. He made it to about 3 hours into the watch before needing a head break due to his left foot developing an itch.
nothing is off topic on a submarine Photos of my first wife disappeared while I was on deployment. Pretty sure the entire crew fapped to her at least once.
Posted on 11/21/17 at 3:19 pm to Jim Rockford
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Did they ever figure out what happened to Scorpion? Equipment malfunction? Sviet black op?
According to John Craven, the Scorpion was sank by one of her own torpedoes. Of all the theories I've read his makes the most sense.
Plus that guy was a fricking genius so I'll go with his theory. He was able to pinpoint the exact location of the Scorpion to within like 200-300 feet (I think?) just by analyzing a pop picked up by some underwater listening device a thousand miles away.
Posted on 11/21/17 at 3:23 pm to Tigeralum2008
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Photos of my first wife disappeared while I was on deployment. Pretty sure the entire crew fapped to her at least once.
One of my NUBs bought a fancy photo album for his wife while we were on deployment. I let him put some of his stuff in one of my spare DC lockers and he had the album in there. One night on midwatch a few of us were hanging out in AMR and a guy was printing out pics from his digital camera. I took a pic of my junk, printed it out, and put it in the photo album. Of course, about 5 or 6 other people did the same. Then I sealed it back up in the plastic and put it back in the locker.
By the time we made it back home I had forgot all about it. He came back to the boat the next day and said "My wife wanted me to thank you guys for the dick pics"
Posted on 11/21/17 at 3:24 pm to terd ferguson
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The way it was always explained to me was that the amount of pressure needed to create an implosion on a submarine would superheat the air and basically cook you instantly. You would be dead before the water ever hit you.
Not sure if that sounds any better...
This post was edited on 11/21/17 at 3:26 pm
Posted on 11/21/17 at 3:27 pm to Jimbeaux
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Argentina has a submarine in its navy?
Argentina has a NAVY>
Posted on 11/21/17 at 3:31 pm to terd ferguson
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Plus that guy was a fricking genius so I'll go with his theory. He was able to pinpoint the exact location of the Scorpion to within like 200-300 feet (I think?) just by analyzing a pop picked up by some underwater listening device a thousand miles away.
As miraculous as that sounds I certainly believe you can pick it up from that far away.
My ship was in the Indian Ocean off the coast of Pakistan and we could detect the Indian naval fleet activity off the coast of Mumbai
Posted on 11/21/17 at 3:35 pm to Tigeralum2008
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As miraculous as that sounds I certainly believe you can pick it up from that far away.
I'm not doubting that the sound traveled that far. I'm just saying he was able to use that to tell exactly where the Scorpion went down.
There was even something about how everybody else said the Scorpion would be found west of the "pop" because she was travelling back home but his data showed it would be east (which fit in with his theory that they had a hot run torpedo and executed the 180 degree turn in an attempt to shut it down). They looked all over to the west for months and found nothing... then he got them to look east and they found it right where he said it would be.
The detailed story is in Blind Mans Bluff.
Posted on 11/21/17 at 3:41 pm to boxcarbarney
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At least it was fast. Still disturbing as hell though. So I guess the implosion crushed the crew?
No, it really wasn't a quick death. Thresher most likely descended for five or ten minutes after loss of power and control before she imploded. The whole time the crew knew something was horribly wrong. They almost certainly could feel and hear the submarine popping and groaning and joints failing as she dove past her safe depth down to her fate and, depending on where in the ship they were and the damage suffered, might have been in complete darkness for at least part of the fatal dive. Since the seawater breach and flooding that is thought to have doomed Thresher is believed to have occurred in the seawater cooling lines in the engineering spaces at the rear of the ship, it's pretty likely that she was diving backwards slightly nose high due to the excess weight of the water in the stern. As the aft spaces filled up more and more with water in this scenario, she'd likely sink more and more by the stern. The nose would pitch higher and higher due to the aft of the ship filling up and water would rush in faster and faster the deeper she dove due to the increasing pressure forcing water through the breach. Finally, the hull would reach its implosion point and catastrophically and almost instantly lose all structural strength, allowing the sea in to pulverize the ship, her equipment, and her crew.
It's very similar to a plane crash in that the moment of death is blindingly fast, but the minutes leading up to it when everyone on board knows they're going to die are hellish, horrific, and seem to last an eternity.
"Does anyone know where the love of God goes when the waves turn the minutes to hours?" -- Gordon Lightfoot, The Wreck of the Edmund Fitzgerald
This post was edited on 11/21/17 at 5:08 pm
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