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Posted on 11/13/22 at 7:46 pm to weagle99
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It is a common idea that life expectancy now is longer than in the past. But is that true
One group of people you can bet don't screw up often are insurance actuaries. They might not be 100% at predicting the future but they do a good job "predicting" the past and present.
Posted on 11/13/22 at 7:52 pm to weagle99
Here’s a fun fact I recently learned from the internet*:
There are currently more centenarians alive today than previously existed in recorded history.
*it must be true
There are currently more centenarians alive today than previously existed in recorded history.
*it must be true
Posted on 11/13/22 at 7:53 pm to weagle99
quote:Yes, it is true.
It is a common idea that life expectancy now is longer than in the past. But is that true
quote:This does skew life expectancy figures, on purpose.
or are the numbers from earlier generations skewed due to higher infant and child mortality rates?
quote:Modern medicine makes a difference.
Walk around a cemetery and it seems like there are plenty of dead adults from 100+ years ago that lived long lives. Maybe if you made it to adulthood back then you were no different than people today with regards to life expectancy?
I think you are confusing life expectancy with human life span. The max length of a human life hasn't changed much in the last few thousands of years. Given good genes and good luck, humans in the past could live past 100 just as they do today.
Life expectancy is a probability, and it changes as you get older and as your risk factors change. Modern medicine mostly just helps more people get closer to the max human life span, which increases the life expectancy calculation.
Posted on 11/13/22 at 8:44 pm to Korkstand
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The max length of a human life hasn't changed much in the last few thousands of years. Given good genes and good luck, humans in the past could live past 100 just as they do today.
Interesting.
I wonder if there is a maximum time for a brain / mind to work. In other words, if a person’s body failed but the brain could be kept alive in a jar at some point would the mind be compelled to end also?
I’m on about that because there is a theory that around 100 years or less is the limit for a mind / brain and that it will probably always be that way.
Posted on 11/13/22 at 9:00 pm to weagle99
quote:Maybe so, it's made of cells that die like everything else. I don't know how long each cell lives, or how often they regenerate, or whether the rate of dying exceeding the rate of regeneration is inevitable at some point.
I wonder if there is a maximum time for a brain / mind to work. In other words, if a person’s body failed but the brain could be kept alive in a jar at some point would the mind be compelled to end also?
I’m on about that because there is a theory that around 100 years or less is the limit for a mind / brain and that it will probably always be that way.
But I do think that a mind without a body would be compelled to end itself, assuming the mind developed with a body. Could you imagine being trapped in your own thoughts forever without the ability to receive new input or act on anything? I think most of us would go insane pretty quickly in that scenario and would want it to end. I wonder if a brain can will itself to die.
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Posted on 11/13/22 at 9:22 pm to weagle99
Antibiotics played a huge role in the spike in the average life span.
Posted on 11/13/22 at 10:27 pm to weagle99
Yes, but recently they have fallen from 20th century levels due to widespread drug addiction sadly.
Posted on 11/13/22 at 10:39 pm to weagle99
Posted on 11/13/22 at 10:51 pm to TDFreak
Yep. The substantial peacetime life-expectancy increases have been sanitation, germ theory and major infant/mother mortality improvements.
The obesity/cardiovascular/metabolic disease pandemic, plus suicide and opioids have us going in the wrong direction now. Not to mention their effects on healthspan.
The obesity/cardiovascular/metabolic disease pandemic, plus suicide and opioids have us going in the wrong direction now. Not to mention their effects on healthspan.
Posted on 11/14/22 at 4:08 am to BoudinChicot
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Yes, but recently they have fallen from 20th century levels due to widespread drug addiction sadly.
Also, I think we have reached a peak in medical advancement and research. Until we can fine definitive cures for cancer, diabetes, high blood pressure, and heart disease that do not involve taking endless courses of medicine we have reached a peak.
Right now medical care is dictated by pharmaceutical and insurance companies and their ability to maintain profits by keeping you on a steady diet of pills.
Why cure a disease once, when you can keep treating it for a seemingly endless stream of profits.
Posted on 11/14/22 at 5:33 am to weagle99
In the Bible, people lived for several hundred years (pushing a thousand for Methuselah) so obviously we’re not living as long.
I jest. I don’t believe that, but many in this part of the world do.
There’s a saying that if you live long enough the parents become the children and the children become the parents.
I jest. I don’t believe that, but many in this part of the world do.
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Im not a patient person to begin with. Soon they will need more care than I am able to give. They have reverted back to children.
There’s a saying that if you live long enough the parents become the children and the children become the parents.
Posted on 11/14/22 at 2:55 pm to weagle99
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I wonder if there is a maximum time for a brain / mind to work.
I've wondered this in terms of immortality and memories. There is a limit on how much information a human brain can retain. I don't know what it is but there is a limit. Either the brain would fill up or start replacing older memories with new.
I'm 47 and can't remember much from my childhood in any kind of detail and the reality is I'm probably misremembering many of those events anyway. If you lived for 500 years, could you really remember anything from your first 100 years? Or your first 300? 400?
Would it matter? Just random thoughts on a boring day.
Posted on 11/14/22 at 3:05 pm to Dave Worth
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There is a limit on how much information a human brain can retain. I don't know what it is but there is a limit. Either the brain would fill up or start replacing older memories with new.
Like Kelly Bundy when Al taught her all his sports knowledge.
Posted on 11/14/22 at 4:46 pm to Globetrotter747
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In the Bible, people lived for several hundred years (pushing a thousand for Methuselah) so obviously we’re not living as long.
Exactly
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I jest. I don’t believe that, but many in this part of the world do.
I think it could be as simple as them calling a lunar cycle a year instead of a solar cycle.
Posted on 11/14/22 at 4:59 pm to weagle99
Social Security was set at 65 because so few people lived past that age.
Posted on 11/14/22 at 6:06 pm to junkfunky
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I think it could be as simple as them calling a lunar cycle a year instead of a solar cycle.
Or they could have meant what they wrote and been wrong.
Posted on 11/14/22 at 6:27 pm to Tarps99
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Also, I think we have reached a peak in medical advancement and research. Until we can fine definitive cures for cancer, diabetes, high blood pressure, and heart disease that do not involve taking endless courses of medicine we have reached a peak.
Right now medical care is dictated by pharmaceutical and insurance companies and their ability to maintain profits by keeping you on a steady diet of pills.
Why cure a disease once, when you can keep treating it for a seemingly endless stream of profits.
nah. we cure the more easily curable diseases even several cancers have 'cures'. a lot of cancers are too complex for a definitive cure, considering they evolve and mutate its a moving target.
there realistically isnt going to be a 'cure' for things like hypertension or diabetes. youd be better off at finding a 'cure' for aging and genetics. lifestyle (diabetes, hypertension) is a major problem that is mostly personal responsibility and not really curable either.
prevention is even better than curing, and it would allow for continuing revenue streams. we can easily prevent the majority of colon cancers and some other types but people just don't get screened. working on prevention is the natural capitalistic course as well considering you will beat competition by profiting while undercutting other company with a market share of long term treating.
Posted on 11/14/22 at 7:14 pm to weagle99
Yes of course they are.
The plague wiped a lot of people out, it is cured with antibiotics that weren’t around. Thinnk how much more crowded Europe would be now. Or worse, the US.
Plus just look at retirement and SS. You need more money to retire because you are living another lifespan after retirement.
The plague wiped a lot of people out, it is cured with antibiotics that weren’t around. Thinnk how much more crowded Europe would be now. Or worse, the US.
Plus just look at retirement and SS. You need more money to retire because you are living another lifespan after retirement.
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