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re: Are people still upset about not having hydroxychloroquine?
Posted on 4/22/20 at 7:33 pm to LSU Fan 90812
Posted on 4/22/20 at 7:33 pm to LSU Fan 90812
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karmapol1ce
Why are you deleting so many of your posts since you came back? You drunk posting inane bullshite on here? Just ashamed at your overall level of douche?
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Posted on 4/22/20 at 7:35 pm to Open Your Eyes
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So again, what’s the standard of care for covid-19?
you are drawing a false equivalency. finding out that an exception exists to a rule is not equivalent to irresponsibly promoting an unproven treatment for a cure.
they are still figuring out the standard of care for covid 19. but the last resort of standard of care is STILL ventilators.
Posted on 4/22/20 at 7:36 pm to MusclesofBrussels
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Why are you deleting so many of your posts since you came back? You drunk posting inane bullshite on here? Just ashamed at your overall level of douche?
que?
Posted on 4/22/20 at 7:36 pm to LSU Fan 90812
All of our positive residents are on it — I just don’t know that it’s helping. Fever is persisting in many after the meds are done. Poor appetite. General malaise. It’s sad and rough for them.
Posted on 4/22/20 at 7:44 pm to MusclesofBrussels
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Just ashamed at your overall level of douche?
If someone would have told me a few years ago that I would prefer MusclesofBrussels over my favorite member of the now-defunct "We Landed on the Moon" AKA Karma1...I would have said they were crazy.
Posted on 4/22/20 at 7:45 pm to stout
i still love you kstout.
also, i don't understand why anyone would think that i would do anything other than post questions or opinions contrary to what the majority of this board thinks. it has always been my M.O.
my sig line has been the same for almost a decade. as has my valparaiso love.
also, i don't understand why anyone would think that i would do anything other than post questions or opinions contrary to what the majority of this board thinks. it has always been my M.O.
my sig line has been the same for almost a decade. as has my valparaiso love.
This post was edited on 4/22/20 at 7:48 pm
Posted on 4/22/20 at 7:48 pm to LSU Fan 90812
OP is 5'6 and uironically calls the president Drumpf.
Posted on 4/22/20 at 7:49 pm to MF Doom
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OP is 5'6 and uironically calls the president Drumpf.
5'11 3/4. never called him drumpf, because i didn't think that was a good joke even when it happened. and haven't criticized the president in this thread, only fox news.
Posted on 4/22/20 at 8:15 pm to LSU Fan 90812
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also, ventilators are STILL the last line of defense in COVID cases. just because doctors managed to mitigate the symptoms enough to not need them as that last line, doesn't mean that they weren't necessary if the patient went into full respiratory failure..
It's not that they're mitigating symptoms enough that they don't need them. Are you ignoring the fact that there are medical professionals now saying that ventilators are making things WORSE for many of the patients? I mean, shouldn't they have seen how that was going to work on a virus they knew NOTHING about before applying a specific treatment...even though they've used that treatment on other patients for other illnesses?
Posted on 4/22/20 at 8:24 pm to Hat Tricks
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Are you ignoring the fact that there are medical professionals now saying that ventilators are making things WORSE for many of the patients?
i don't ignore information. there is an ongoing debate when to intubate and when not to. intubation has always been standard of care for respiratory failure. the when line is moving and adjusting as it has been found that with covid, intubation early is not helpful, and the time and metrics for respiratory failure with covid previously thought to be the threshhold has changed as we've learned more about oxygenation and the virus.
intubation is, was, and always has been a very complicated, dangerous, and potentially unforgiving process meant as a last resort.
and it is still the last line of defense. they don't let people just stop breathing even with all we've learned without intubating them.
This post was edited on 4/22/20 at 8:25 pm
Posted on 4/22/20 at 8:27 pm to LSU Fan 90812
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you are drawing a false equivalency.
Not at all. I’m just showing how flawed your “logic” is here.
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finding out that an exception exists to a rule is not equivalent to irresponsibly promoting an unproven treatment for a cure.
Where’s the proof that ventilators were effective in treating covid-19 patients? If you can’t provide any, how is it any different from what you’re complaining about with HCQ?
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they are still figuring out the standard of care for covid 19
Interesting. So you’re saying they decided to put covid-19 patients on ventilators absent a standard of care instruction to do so, and therefore without knowing that would effectively treat their symptoms.
As it turns out, ventilators arent really all that effective in treating covid patients, and actually cause further damage in many cases.
And you don’t have a problem with this at all. Even after your OP.
As I said, people don’t like hypocrites.
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but the last resort of standard of care is STILL ventilators
How’s that working out for covid patients?
This post was edited on 4/22/20 at 8:29 pm
Posted on 4/22/20 at 8:32 pm to Open Your Eyes
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Not at all. I’m just showing how flawed your “logic” is here.
you are doing so ineffectually.
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Where’s the proof that ventilators were effective interesting covid-19 patients? If you can’t provide any, how is it any different from what you’re complaining about with HCQ?
it's really not that hard, friend. when a virus is new, it means that you rely on existing empirical data. so if something causes something, you resort to your previous method of treating that thing.. using the thing that worked previously is common sense.
it is vastly different from saying something is new, therefore we should use something meant for something else to treat the thing, and then promoting it before figuring out if that works.
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As it turns out, ventilators arent really all that effective in treating covid patients, and actually cause further damage in many cases.
ventilators are STILL standard of care in covid patients. with learning because the viral treatment is new, they have inserted a few more steps before resorting to it.
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And you don’t have a problem with this at all. Even after your OP.
the changing of existing working practice with the advent of new information is not in anyway the same as the mass promotion of a risky practice with zero or limited information.
This post was edited on 4/22/20 at 8:35 pm
Posted on 4/22/20 at 8:39 pm to LSU Fan 90812
Hydroxychloroquine has been approved for medical use in the USA since 1955. You're talking about like it is some voodoo witchcraft, brand new on the scene, that we know next to nothing about.
This post was edited on 4/22/20 at 8:40 pm
Posted on 4/22/20 at 8:46 pm to LSU Fan 90812
They are still giving it to patients. The only way it seems to really help is giving it when first symptoms arise. Giving it to you after being wheeled into ICU and intubated is too late.
Posted on 4/22/20 at 8:46 pm to Hat Tricks
It has been proven as an antimalarial and for treating lupus and has known risks and side effects.
the cdc under pressure included it in the guidelines for covid, with limited knowledge of its efficacy.
the cdc under pressure included it in the guidelines for covid, with limited knowledge of its efficacy.
This post was edited on 4/22/20 at 8:47 pm
Posted on 4/22/20 at 8:49 pm to LSU Fan 90812
The doses are lower than what the wife is getting for her RA.
Posted on 4/22/20 at 8:50 pm to Capt ST
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The only way it seems to really help is giving it when first symptoms arise. Giving it to you after being wheeled into ICU and intubated is too late.
then why is the CDC not saying that? why did they remove it for its guidelines for treatment of COVID 19? it seems that if this was true, they'd be revising the guidelines to say that early administration was effective.
Posted on 4/22/20 at 8:53 pm to LSU Fan 90812
okay back to work for me. y'all enjoy.
Posted on 4/22/20 at 9:08 pm to LSU Fan 90812
No clue, but I'm about to go into decon mode with wife coming home from dirty ICU. If she got it, I'm catching it tonight. 
Posted on 4/22/20 at 9:15 pm to LSU Fan 90812
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you are doing so ineffectually.
So ineffectually that you had to resort to some ridiculous comparison to life jackets to attempt to make your point? Still waiting for your breakdown of how akin those 2 situations are by the way.
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it's really not that hard, friend.
I know it’s not. Yet you’re still in here trying to make it that way.
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when a virus is new, it means that you rely on existing empirical data. so if something causes something, you resort to your previous method of treating that thing.. using the thing that worked previously is common sense.
You mean like resorting to using a medication that was thought to be effective in preventing the replication of coronavirus cells previously?
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it is vastly different from saying something is new, therefore we should use something meant for something else to treat the thing, and then promoting it before figuring out if that works.
You mean like assuming ventilators were the correct method to treat hypoxemia patients that weren’t exhibiting any signs of respiratory distress?
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ventilators are STILL standard of care in covid patients.
he says as more and more guidance comes out to only use ventilators as a last resort. quote:
with learning because the viral treatment is new, they have inserted a few more steps before resorting to it.
With learning because the viral treatment is new, there has been a shift in the line of thinking regarding HCQ’s effectiveness as a treatment.
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the changing of existing working practice with the advent of new information is not in anyway the same as the mass promotion of a risky practice with zero or limited information.
The problem is you’re continuing to attempt to establish a difference that doesn’t exist.
“You should wait to see if the solution works before you start telling people that it does.”
This is what you said. The current state of things is due in large part to the perceived risk associated with a potential ventilator shortage. Did they wait to see if the ventilator solution worked before destroying the economy and millions of businesses and lives because we needed to have all the ventilators?
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