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re: Anyone Here Do ROTC at TAMU?

Posted on 4/2/19 at 1:07 pm to
Posted by CGSC Lobotomy
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Posted on 4/2/19 at 1:07 pm to
I'm not sure where the bulk of you get your information, but about 99% of the posts in this thread are false and/or deliberately misleading. Here are the facts from someone who went through the A&M Army ROTC program almost 20 years ago.

Cadet Corps: As stated earlier, the only way to get an ROTC commission at A&M is as a member of the Cadet Corps. As an Army ROTC cadet, your options for minor units (company-sized elements) are limited to the 1st and 2nd Brigades (major units composed primarily of Army ROTC cadets) or the Combined Band. All cadets are required to declare an ROTC affiliation until their junior year, where they either take a contract or become "Drill and Ceremonies". (The way you can tell is by the patch on the left shoulder. If they have two TAMU patches, it's a D&C cadet) Historically, commissioning rates in relation to the size of the cadet corps have varied between 33% (when I went through) and 46% (height of OIF/OEF). Those numbers don't include those who enlist, take a direct commission or go through OCS after the fact. In a typical ROTC class, at any school, at least 10-15% will not be able to fulfill their contract due to medical, academic or other reasons. (My classmate who became Student Body President was a MacArthur Award winner that was declared medically unfit to serve 2 months before he was supposed to commission due to a respiratory condition that wasn't discovered until he went through MEPS)

Actual ROTC program: I can only speak for the Army side. The training areas are fairly robust. The fireman's training site at Easterwood Field has grown exponentially in the last 20 years, from an area with 4 FLRC, 9 STX, and 2 Platoon LFX lanes to a complex MOUT site and several other areas. Weapons qualification takes place in the basement of the Military Science Building, with a range utilizing weapons modified to fire .22 rounds (due to the compressed space). I think they might have a "Weaponeer" now. I always considered ROTC a class when I went through. You meet two days a week, plus "lab" events and two quarterly weekend Field Exercises. The culminating FTX at the end of the academic year includes all of the ROTC programs in the area (Texas, Houston, Sam Houston, SFA, etc.). The APFT run route is just over two full iterations around Spence Park.

DA Training Opportunities: As a SMC, A&M Cadets do not attend the "Basic Camp" that other ROTC programs send their cadets to between their MS2 and MS3 year. That summer is primarily when cadets attend Basic Airborne Training and the Air Assault School. When I went through, A&M was allocated 18 Airborne and 4 Air Assault slots, and it was a very competitive process to get those slots. I had to abdicate mine so I could take summer school to graduate on time (Electrical Engineering degree). A&M is typically allocated between 2-5 CTLT slots as well during the Advanced Camp year.

Commissioning: All medical and clearance procedures go through MEPS in San Antonio. You have to purchase your own uniforms through the PX at Ft. Hood or JBSA (you get an authorization memo to do so) using the clothing allocation you get. A lot of cadets use that clothing allocation to purchase their senior boots...to each his own. There are two commissioning ceremonies, the official one in front of friends and family and the public one in front of everyone in attendance at Reed Arena. The first is limited to those in your commissioning group and branch while the other one is with EVERYONE getting commissioned at that time. There were 34 in my Army Commissioning Group and 74 in the May 2000 ceremony.

Let me know if you want other actual details instead of trolling bullshite. (very telling that we have downvotes, but no attempts to respond or rebut by the usual suspects)
This post was edited on 4/2/19 at 1:17 pm
Posted by greenbean
USAF Retired - 31 years
Member since Feb 2019
6592 posts
Posted on 4/2/19 at 6:03 pm to
quote:

i'm not sure where the bulk of you get your information, but about 99% of the posts in this thread are false and/or deliberately misleading. Here are the facts from someone who went through the A&M Army ROTC program almost 20 years ago.

Cadet Corps: As stated earlier, the only way to get an ROTC commission at A&M is as a member of the Cadet Corps. As an Army ROTC cadet, your options for minor units (company-sized elements) are limited to the 1st and 2nd Brigades (major units composed primarily of Army ROTC cadets) or the Combined Band. All cadets are required to declare an ROTC affiliation until their junior year, where they either take a contract or become "Drill and Ceremonies". (The way you can tell is by the patch on the left shoulder. If they have two TAMU patches, it's a D&C cadet) Historically, commissioning rates in relation to the size of the cadet corps have varied between 33% (when I went through) and 46% (height of OIF/OEF). Those numbers don't include those who enlist, take a direct commission or go through OCS after the fact. In a typical ROTC class, at any school, at least 10-15% will not be able to fulfill their contract due to medical, academic or other reasons. (My classmate who became Student Body President was a MacArthur Award winner that was declared medically unfit to serve 2 months before he was supposed to commission due to a respiratory condition that wasn't discovered until he went through MEPS)

Actual ROTC program: I can only speak for the Army side. The training areas are fairly robust. The fireman's training site at Easterwood Field has grown exponentially in the last 20 years, from an area with 4 FLRC, 9 STX, and 2 Platoon LFX lanes to a complex MOUT site and several other areas. Weapons qualification takes place in the basement of the Military Science Building, with a range utilizing weapons modified to fire .22 rounds (due to the compressed space). I think they might have a "Weaponeer" now. I always considered ROTC a class when I went through. You meet two days a week, plus "lab" events and two quarterly weekend Field Exercises. The culminating FTX at the end of the academic year includes all of the ROTC programs in the area (Texas, Houston, Sam Houston, SFA, etc.). The APFT run route is just over two full iterations around Spence Park.

DA Training Opportunities: As a SMC, A&M Cadets do not attend the "Basic Camp" that other ROTC programs send their cadets to between their MS2 and MS3 year. That summer is primarily when cadets attend Basic Airborne Training and the Air Assault School. When I went through, A&M was allocated 18 Airborne and 4 Air Assault slots, and it was a very competitive process to get those slots. I had to abdicate mine so I could take summer school to graduate on time (Electrical Engineering degree). A&M is typically allocated between 2-5 CTLT slots as well during the Advanced Camp year.

Commissioning: All medical and clearance procedures go through MEPS in San Antonio. You have to purchase your own uniforms through the PX at Ft. Hood or JBSA (you get an authorization memo to do so) using the clothing allocation you get. A lot of cadets use that clothing allocation to purchase their senior boots...to each his own. There are two commissioning ceremonies, the official one in front of friends and family and the public one in front of everyone in attendance at Reed Arena. The first is limited to those in your commissioning group and branch while the other one is with EVERYONE getting commissioned at that time. There were 34 in my Army Commissioning Group and 74 in the May 2000 ceremony.

Let me know if you want other actual details instead of trolling bull shite. (very telling that we have downvotes, but no attempts to respond or rebut by the usual suspects)



Thanks, this is great information. Did you attend on an ROTC scholarship? What are the chances of getting an AFROTC scholarship as an incoming freshman? Would out of state tuition be waived? My son is looking at engineering (electrical and that is in demand by the AF.

Agree that many of the people commenting are clueless about the military.
Posted by Sao
East Texas Piney Woods
Member since Jun 2009
68469 posts
Posted on 4/2/19 at 7:23 pm to

Dad, that Band Queer was just feeding you bullshite to get their mitts on your son. There's a reason they love a Red arse.
Posted by Wolfhound45
Member since Nov 2009
127593 posts
Posted on 4/2/19 at 7:28 pm to
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CGSC Lobotomy
Listen to this guy. He knows what he is talking about.
Posted by Sao
East Texas Piney Woods
Member since Jun 2009
68469 posts
Posted on 4/2/19 at 7:35 pm to

Well, he may know about what the manual says. But he left out ALL of the corp dorm hallway naked shite they do.
Posted by Rebel
Graceland
Member since Jan 2005
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Posted on 4/2/19 at 7:36 pm to
You should probably check the soccer board.

Posted by CGSC Lobotomy
Member since Sep 2011
81611 posts
Posted on 4/2/19 at 7:53 pm to
Earned one at the end of my sophomore year (2-year). Don't know a whole lot about the AFROTC program, but they do quite a bit of flight training and familiarization using Easterwood Airport and light planes.

As far as engineering, there's a lot of "weed out" classes for all engineering majors. You don't hit the specific meat of the curriculum until you decide a specialization (mine was electronics). However, the technology I learned on was late-90s.

As far as tuition, being in the Corps automatically grants in-state tuition.
This post was edited on 4/2/19 at 8:26 pm
Posted by Dick Jacket
Member since Nov 2016
1587 posts
Posted on 4/2/19 at 7:55 pm to
Virginia Tech has a pretty big ROTC program.

ROTC was also fairly robust at GT but not to the level of having a bunch of cadets in block seating at sporting events robust.
Posted by baldona
Florida
Member since Feb 2016
24440 posts
Posted on 4/2/19 at 8:07 pm to
quote:

My son is looking at engineering (electrical and that is in demand by the AF.



If you are serious he needs to go talk to an officer recruiter or someone that knows a damn thing about this which most don’t.

Rotc is not really for engineers unless he wants to see combat duty. Professionals; doctors, lawyers, engineers, etc. is a completely different thing.

With all due respect rotc and the academies are really for career guys that want to be and lead combat units. There’s no damn reason to attend them if you want to be a professional outside of getting tuition assistance.
This post was edited on 4/2/19 at 8:09 pm
Posted by jimbeam
University of LSU
Member since Oct 2011
75703 posts
Posted on 4/2/19 at 8:11 pm to
quote:

Rotc is not really for engineers unless he wants to see combat duty.
What? I knew a shite ton of engineers in ROTC at LSU. Lots of AF guys. What route would you recommend an engineer to take to become an officer? BCT and OCS? Screw that.
Posted by 777Tiger
Member since Mar 2011
93541 posts
Posted on 4/2/19 at 8:17 pm to
I was an engineer major at LSU, recruiters ate that shite up. AF was riffing (thanks Carter!) not much flight training. Good thing I found out about the guard. Was only going to fly jets.
Posted by CGSC Lobotomy
Member since Sep 2011
81611 posts
Posted on 4/2/19 at 8:17 pm to
Yeah, you see a wide swath of majors by ROTC cadets.
Posted by RedlandsTiger
Greenwell Springs, LA
Member since Jan 2008
3214 posts
Posted on 4/2/19 at 8:36 pm to
Have you taken the ASVAB? If you get a score in the high 90s to over 100 and you can share that info with people in the ROTC system. It will help (Officer material). You can prepare and retake the exam to raise your score. Have you considered attending one of the Prep Schools? It costs money but if you get accepted, they have about a 95% acceptance rate for attendees to service academies. My youngest son attended this one in California and got into USAFA;

LINK

It's about $13k to attend but it's worth every penny if you can make it.

LINK
This post was edited on 4/2/19 at 8:41 pm
Posted by greenbean
USAF Retired - 31 years
Member since Feb 2019
6592 posts
Posted on 4/2/19 at 9:15 pm to
quote:

f you are serious he needs to go talk to an officer recruiter or someone that knows a damn thing about this which most don’t.

Rotc is not really for engineers unless he wants to see combat duty. Professionals; doctors, lawyers, engineers, etc. is a completely different thing.

With all due respect rotc and the academies are really for career guys that want to be and lead combat units. There’s no damn reason to attend them if you want to be a professional outside of getting tuition assistance.



No offense sir, but you have no idea what you are typing about. I spent 32 years in AF engineering squadrons, there is no combat for AF engineers, the exception being those few engineering officers who volunteer (and make it through) EOD. Certainly, if you are deployed to Kandahar or Bagram, you may come under attack, during my final deployment in 2015, Kandahar was hit pretty hard (I was at a different base). In the AF for a non-pilot to see combat, you have to actively seek it out (TACP/PJs, etc.)

I've also deployed with the Army, their engineering offices don't see much combat either, but do have a little better chance than their AF counterparts.
This post was edited on 4/2/19 at 9:27 pm
Posted by Sun God
Member since Jul 2009
52786 posts
Posted on 4/2/19 at 9:20 pm to
Have we made it to the stage in this thread where we brag about ASVAB scores?
Posted by greenbean
USAF Retired - 31 years
Member since Feb 2019
6592 posts
Posted on 4/2/19 at 9:24 pm to
quote:

Have you taken the ASVAB? If you get a score in the high 90s to over 100 and you can share that info with people in the ROTC system. It will help (Officer material). You can prepare and retake the exam to raise your score. Have you considered attending one of the Prep Schools? It costs money but if you get accepted, they have about a 95% acceptance rate for attendees to service academies. My youngest son attended this one in California and got into USAFA;

LINK /

It's about $13k to attend but it's worth every penny if you can make it.

LINK




Thank you for the information. In my opinion, the USAFA is the top, but I'm sure a West Pointer may disagree. Up until a couple of months ago, a service academy was his goal, I don't know where the TAMU thought got into him, I think it may be the balance of a major university (and the fun that comes with that) and the concentration on military activities (which he wouldn't get at an ROTC detachments at most universities).
Posted by Matador
Member since Oct 2012
280 posts
Posted on 4/2/19 at 9:43 pm to
Outside of the academies, I don't think anyone gives a crap where you go for ROTC
Posted by OleWar
Troy H. Middleton Library
Member since Mar 2008
5828 posts
Posted on 4/2/19 at 9:52 pm to
quote:

Outside of the academies, I don't think anyone gives a crap where you go for ROTC


That is like saying, nobody gives a crap where you went to college.

Princeton, Duke, LSU, Oral Roberts and Southern have Army ROTC.
Posted by Obtuse1
Westside Bodymore Yo
Member since Sep 2016
31114 posts
Posted on 4/2/19 at 9:53 pm to
quote:

In my opinion, the USAFA is the top


Purely on academics, West Point is always ranked #1 of the service academies then Annapolis then USAFA.

Posted by RedlandsTiger
Greenwell Springs, LA
Member since Jan 2008
3214 posts
Posted on 4/2/19 at 9:56 pm to
I don't know if there are other independent preparatory schools in the US, but this one is good. Go talk to the Suzanne Durbeck about applying. LINK LSU still has a ROTC program, go talk to them.
This post was edited on 4/2/19 at 9:59 pm
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