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re: Anyone Get to Observe One of the St. George Petition Signings?
Posted on 2/27/14 at 7:03 pm to LSURussian
Posted on 2/27/14 at 7:03 pm to LSURussian
I thought the discussion is or was about ST. George becoming a city first which an unincorporated area should not have legacy cost for city employees or city services. They should not be receiving any city services.
St George becoming a city does not automatically mean they will get their own school system. That is a second step which legacy cost will come into play.
Then they can turn it around and say well we paid taxes which paid for XYZ schools. Now we have to buy these schools which our taxes paid for. Central had to buy schools from EBRPSS which they more than paid for with property taxes from their area. If this all plays out and ST George becomes a city and gets their school system can we treat them any different than Baker, Central, or Zachary.
St George becoming a city does not automatically mean they will get their own school system. That is a second step which legacy cost will come into play.
Then they can turn it around and say well we paid taxes which paid for XYZ schools. Now we have to buy these schools which our taxes paid for. Central had to buy schools from EBRPSS which they more than paid for with property taxes from their area. If this all plays out and ST George becomes a city and gets their school system can we treat them any different than Baker, Central, or Zachary.
Posted on 2/27/14 at 7:17 pm to Alleman
Meet Janet. She's a single mother with four hoodlums. Janet admittedly made bad choices, but like many mothers, still wants to get her little angels who can do no wrong in a better school district, and get them away from the other little angels, I mean hoodlums. St George passes, and developers do as they are continuing to do in this city, and that's overbuild the hell out of multi family housing, and now even more new developments go up around shopping malls and next to nice neighborhoods to get ready for the flow of people, and so people begin moving out of the old properties into the new ones. Now, there's occupancy issues at the older properties, and so they lower their rent, and Janet moves her and her four street urchins to St. George, things get worse, and more properties are going up, and more properties are having trouble with occupancy. Management changes are everywhere until owners need to get money flowing and people to pay their damn rent, so one after another, whole areas of St. George begin going with secured money by way of section 8 and tax credit, and the more fall by the way side, the more follow until whole areas of St. George are being taken over by this epidemic and the people begin to move to the newer sections of St. George with the new buildings and better housing. More demand for affordable multi family housing is in place, and the process gets out of control, and now many of the people Janet was trying to get her kids away from have now moved to St. George also.
Track housing starts going up, and wooooohooooo, the good times are back and rolling along again... Politicians are patting themselves on the back, and people working in or supporting the construction industry are ALL IN and hoping it can stick around so they can buy that new camp and boat. People living in the new complexes begin buying up homes, and the new properties are taking more people in, and more older pre existing properties get into trouble, and the cycle continues, ad nauseam.
That's what I mean you can't divide the city. There are no lines that keep one problem away from the other, no great body of water, no moat, no wall, no check points. There is no such thing as a South Baton Rouge, and a North Baton Rouge, just Baton Rouge. And so.... When you create this demand because of a perceived draw for a school district, regardless if it's a positive or not, will make Baton Rouge and St. George a bigger ghetto than it's ever been, and quick. The desire for fast money and growth by people, and by politicians seeking to put a feather in their cap politically will escalate and exacerbate a current problem that comes from evacuating the city under the delusion that you can run from your problems instead of facing them.
Track housing starts going up, and wooooohooooo, the good times are back and rolling along again... Politicians are patting themselves on the back, and people working in or supporting the construction industry are ALL IN and hoping it can stick around so they can buy that new camp and boat. People living in the new complexes begin buying up homes, and the new properties are taking more people in, and more older pre existing properties get into trouble, and the cycle continues, ad nauseam.
That's what I mean you can't divide the city. There are no lines that keep one problem away from the other, no great body of water, no moat, no wall, no check points. There is no such thing as a South Baton Rouge, and a North Baton Rouge, just Baton Rouge. And so.... When you create this demand because of a perceived draw for a school district, regardless if it's a positive or not, will make Baton Rouge and St. George a bigger ghetto than it's ever been, and quick. The desire for fast money and growth by people, and by politicians seeking to put a feather in their cap politically will escalate and exacerbate a current problem that comes from evacuating the city under the delusion that you can run from your problems instead of facing them.
Posted on 2/27/14 at 7:20 pm to RealityTiger
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class of 92 also
Yep.
Me too of course....
The only time I ever had a run in with the law was when I went somewhere with John Delgado. He told me one time in college that everything he did was geared toward his advancement in politics.
Posted on 2/27/14 at 7:31 pm to Mike da Tigah
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That's what I mean you can't divide the city. There are no lines that keep one problem away from the other, no great body of water, no moat, no wall, no check points. There is no such thing as a South Baton Rouge, and a North Baton Rouge, just Baton Rouge. And so.... When you create this demand because of a perceived draw for a school district, regardless if it's a positive or not, will make Baton Rouge and St. George a bigger ghetto than it's ever been, and quick. The desire for fast money and growth by people, and by politicians seeking to put a feather in their cap politically will escalate and exacerbate a current problem that comes from evacuating the city under the delusion that you can run from your problems instead of facing them.
Posted on 2/27/14 at 7:34 pm to skinny domino
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The city of B R didn't have anything to do with woodlawn not getting their on school district. You might want to get Bodi to take that up with the school board and the state legislature.
Why is that important in your opinion?
Posted on 2/27/14 at 7:34 pm to willymeaux
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How about we just fix the problems with our city instead of running away from them.....
It has become apparent that BR is too far gone.
Posted on 2/27/14 at 7:36 pm to Pennymoney
So what's the solution? Baton Rouge will be a shithole regardless so why even bother trying to fix it?
Reminds me of the South Park episode on immigration. "When we said fix the borders we didn't mean to make the country so shitty no one would want to move here"
Reminds me of the South Park episode on immigration. "When we said fix the borders we didn't mean to make the country so shitty no one would want to move here"
Posted on 2/27/14 at 7:47 pm to moneyg
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It has become apparent that BR is too far gone.
Baton Rouge is not too far gone. Baton Rouge, and that includes St. George, needs a mental enema, and come to grips with the fact that we cannot outrun our problems, but like grown ups must face them as a community if we want to have anything worth salvaging. Baton Rouge needs to realize that while daddy and grandpa were good people, they were also human beings, and their ideas wrong for the future of this city that can only be fixed by investing ourselves in it. They did what they thought they should and we should correct those mistakes by changing direction. It's not magical... Places are deemed too important to lose when people fix that in their mind that it is too important to lose or surrender. When we surrendered the most valuable real estate in this city to the lowest common denominator in life, red flags should have gone up everywhere that it was FUBAR, but we all kept following the cattle drive out without thinking. That has to end, and it absolutely has to begin with the 20 and 30 something's, because my generation and prior went full retard, and away from human logic most places on this planet where your urban areas are the most valuable areas, and are to be cherished, not disposable items of non interest.
Posted on 2/27/14 at 7:49 pm to SuperflyLSU
Dear St. George, Please don't incorporate and form a new school system. Signed, Livingston, Ascension, Zachary, and Central.
Posted on 2/27/14 at 7:49 pm to Mike da Tigah
I don’t think that is the way it will go down. I don’t live in BR any more. I live in Houston in a part of town that was once unincorporated called West University. They made their own town, own ordinances, own building regulations, many regulations against multifamily dwellings and increased taxes. It is now a very desirable area of town. People tear down older homes and build new ones in the same space, which is the opposite of what you describe. It’s much more of a community than anything BR had. It is still part of HISD and has one of the best public schools in the city.
Posted on 2/27/14 at 7:53 pm to Cypdog
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I don’t think that is the way it will go down. I don’t live in BR any more. I live in Houston in a part of town that was once unincorporated called West University. They made their own town, own ordinances, own building regulations, many regulations against multifamily dwellings and increased taxes. It is now a very desirable area of town. People tear down older homes and build new ones in the same space, which is the opposite of what you describe. It’s much more of a community than anything BR had. It is still part of HISD and has one of the best public schools in the city.
Houston is an enormous market, and is not what I think of when I think of a community, but probably what Baton Rouge thought it should model itself after, but clearly lacks the population. Baton Rouge isn't growing. It doesn't grow. It relocates. It overbuilds and let's the old sections to rot. That's why there are blocks upon blocks of undeveloped real estate in downtown and surrounding areas not even the hood, just forgotten.
Posted on 2/27/14 at 7:57 pm to SuperflyLSU
I would like to see EBRP go to a Parish President/council and have a Mayor for the city of BR only. Instead of a Mayor/President who is more concerned with the city of BR. I'm not sure how to accomplish this, but I really think it might help the unincorporated areas of the parish.
Posted on 2/27/14 at 7:58 pm to Mike da Tigah
That is a really, really interesting take on things. You have given me something to think about that I had not really considered. That doesn't happen often here. 
Posted on 2/27/14 at 8:08 pm to SuperflyLSU
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So what's the solution? Baton Rouge will be a shithole regardless so why even bother trying to fix it?
Ummm not it won't. It's in the middle of a massive revitalization right now. NORTH Baton ROuge is a shithole and always will be.
Downtown, MId City, Goodwood, Nicholson, pretty much everything South of Florida blvd is on the rise and that means economically. And these morons want to hurt that to their own inevitable detriment.
This post was edited on 2/27/14 at 8:09 pm
Posted on 2/27/14 at 8:10 pm to Mike da Tigah
And then. Godzilla swims up the Mississippi River and smashes St George to splinters. He next turns his fire breath on Denham Springs. The armed forces come in and a huge battle takes place in br proper. The Chinese get spooked and nuke everything. The US retaliates and the whole world is destroyed.
Posted on 2/27/14 at 8:16 pm to Mike da Tigah
Houston’s enormous population did not start growing until the wide spread use of air conditioning in the 1960’s. To your point, it had reason to grow and BR currently does not. It does not discount the fact that controlling your own city can negate many of the negatives you point out. My neighborhood in Houston was borderline transitional before it became what it is today.
Posted on 2/27/14 at 8:25 pm to LSURussian
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LSURussian
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Now you see why I ignored you the first time you asked. You're famous for going after 'gotcha' statements. I never claimed to have inside knowledge or evidence that IBM might waiver in their commitment. I said I was "a little concerned" about the possibility. You obviously don't understand the difference in those statements. In the future when I don't reply to you, don't assume I did not see your question. Just assume I'm ignoring you. Deal?
You've earned the benefit of the doubt in my book is a fairly large compliment when compared with the rabble of rubes that abound here. You're so quick to denigrate everyone who dares to disagree you'll turn a compliment into an insult.
But you made that comment based on no factual info and I simply asked if you had any. Typically you do, and you're pretty damn good about replying with a link in those instances.
Again, you didn't have any basis for the comment and I agree that there is an extremely low chance that IBM would bat an eyelash over this entire tempest in a teapot.
Posted on 2/27/14 at 8:31 pm to Lsupimp
Haha - aren't you the guy that likes the school system and has several kids in it currently that would get moved if St George got a school system ... I'm sure you are unbiased.
Posted on 2/27/14 at 8:36 pm to ThisWayChad
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I'm sure you are unbiased
Are only posters with no opinion one way or the other regarding St George allowed to post in these threads?
That's going to make for some very short threads.
Posted on 2/27/14 at 8:39 pm to GFunk
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tempest in a teapot.
You think this is all just a Tempest in a teapot?
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