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re: Anyone Get to Observe One of the St. George Petition Signings?
Posted on 2/27/14 at 2:16 pm to Mike da Tigah
Posted on 2/27/14 at 2:16 pm to Mike da Tigah
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they will end on dividing the city in half.
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Posted on 2/27/14 at 2:16 pm to lsugolfredman
quote:He works for the city of BR. He says he doesn't, but he does.
I'm just curious what vested interest Russian has in this argument.
Posted on 2/27/14 at 2:21 pm to Mike da Tigah
quote:Agreed.
but also says it's not about schools or you wouldn't find the empty nester old people being the big market for it, and yet that's what they say it's about.
It's also why the organizers won't tell their "market" the truth about likely tax increases. That older group as a whole would oppose any possibility of tax increases especially if they don't have kids in school any more.
So they have to hide the truth and claim no new school taxes will be needed.
If anyone doubts that is the official stance of the SG school organizers, here is a link to their website where they say it. LINK
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We propose to build six (6) additional schools
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we see no reason to raise taxes to build additional schools or to run this school district.
Posted on 2/27/14 at 2:23 pm to sec13rowBBseat28
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He works for the city of BR. He says he doesn't, but he does.
Bet me. Any odds.
Posted on 2/27/14 at 2:24 pm to Sev09
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Let's be honest here...
Villa del ray, Broadmoor, Sherwood Forest, Concord Estates, all very heavily desirable areas at one time, same age and same ranch style homes littering the areas known as the proposed St. George. Why not now?
You're also discounting the Garden District, Southdowns, the new Rouzan, Capital Hts, Old Goodwood, Bocage, Hundred Oaks, Country Club, And many others
Let's be honest... Do I want to live in the Garden District, Hundred Oaks, or Country Club with better community options nearby, or in a set of upper level homes that all look the same and will be outdated soon enough next to another big box store? Guess it depends on just how long I want to be there, or let's say how long it stays popular until the new fancy area pots up miles closer to P'Ville when the plaque begins encroaching and people start running for the hills again.
Posted on 2/27/14 at 2:27 pm to LSURussian
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It's also why the organizers won't tell their "market" the truth about likely tax increases. That older group as a whole would oppose any possibility of tax increases especially if they don't have kids in school any more.
When the baby boomer bubble finally bursts pretty soon, those areas with the most baby boomers are going to be hurt worst than anyone I'd say.
Posted on 2/27/14 at 2:28 pm to LSURussian
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Posted on 2/27/14 at 2:28 pm to LSURussian
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Bet me. Any odds
Just trying to push your buttons! 
Posted on 2/27/14 at 2:32 pm to BeerMoney
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A few guys and one lady balked pretty hard at the guy when he asked them to sign. One guy flat out screamed at him. He handled it well.
It's like FB in real life.
Posted on 2/27/14 at 2:34 pm to sec13rowBBseat28
From the amount he posts, I'd say Russian is either living off of the government or retired. No way he has a job with the amount I've seen him post on here.
Posted on 2/27/14 at 2:39 pm to sec13rowBBseat28
quote:I chuckled.
Just trying to push your buttons!
Posted on 2/27/14 at 2:46 pm to LigerFan
Or, he owns his own business and can do whatever he wants. There's that......
Posted on 2/27/14 at 3:04 pm to Mike da Tigah
Mike,
When is enough going to be enough? When do you finally dig your heels in and make a stand?
My great grandparents moved to America from Italy because it provided a better opportunity for their children. Great granddad spoke hardly any English, but flew planes for the army during thewar to earn his citizenship. My grandparents took every odd job they could find to make sure why parents never went hungry. My parents moved to br and made sure my sister and I hd every oopportunity they never did. My wife and I just bought a home in the best area that we can afford to raise a family. Point is, parents will do what is best for their children. I've got opportunities my previous 3 generations never had, and I owe it to them to stop running. This is where I make my stand.
If i move to prarieville, I'm "white flight" if I move to Shenandoah I'm "rich". If I'm not satisfied with a failing school system and playing roulette with my kid's safety then I'm "elitist" and "racist." What other options do I have besides st. George? I can't be sure it will be better than ebr, but from all indications it can't possibly be any worse.
You say its a matter of no one having civic pride and not getting involved in the schools. I disagree. My wife and I are both involved with Shenandoah elementary although we have no children of our own yet. You should see the amount of people that show up at that schools fair. I'd say there is an enormous amount of community pride in it, and for good reason, it is one of the top elementaries in the state. People actually move TO the area so their kids can attend.
Now middle and high school you have a point. Half the kids attend magnets or br high, at least those that aren't in private school. Kinda hard to get the community involved when their kids attend halfway across town. But fact is there are no viable options nearby if your kid doesnt hit the magnet lottery. I'll work three jobs and pay for catholic before I send my kid to Tara or Woodlawn.
Whereas you see St. George as running away, I see it as taking a stand. I'm ready to fight for my kids if that's what it takes. I've seen it done in Central and Zachary, and if EBRPSS is fine with the status quo, I'm tired of settling for mediocrity.
When is enough going to be enough? When do you finally dig your heels in and make a stand?
My great grandparents moved to America from Italy because it provided a better opportunity for their children. Great granddad spoke hardly any English, but flew planes for the army during thewar to earn his citizenship. My grandparents took every odd job they could find to make sure why parents never went hungry. My parents moved to br and made sure my sister and I hd every oopportunity they never did. My wife and I just bought a home in the best area that we can afford to raise a family. Point is, parents will do what is best for their children. I've got opportunities my previous 3 generations never had, and I owe it to them to stop running. This is where I make my stand.
If i move to prarieville, I'm "white flight" if I move to Shenandoah I'm "rich". If I'm not satisfied with a failing school system and playing roulette with my kid's safety then I'm "elitist" and "racist." What other options do I have besides st. George? I can't be sure it will be better than ebr, but from all indications it can't possibly be any worse.
You say its a matter of no one having civic pride and not getting involved in the schools. I disagree. My wife and I are both involved with Shenandoah elementary although we have no children of our own yet. You should see the amount of people that show up at that schools fair. I'd say there is an enormous amount of community pride in it, and for good reason, it is one of the top elementaries in the state. People actually move TO the area so their kids can attend.
Now middle and high school you have a point. Half the kids attend magnets or br high, at least those that aren't in private school. Kinda hard to get the community involved when their kids attend halfway across town. But fact is there are no viable options nearby if your kid doesnt hit the magnet lottery. I'll work three jobs and pay for catholic before I send my kid to Tara or Woodlawn.
Whereas you see St. George as running away, I see it as taking a stand. I'm ready to fight for my kids if that's what it takes. I've seen it done in Central and Zachary, and if EBRPSS is fine with the status quo, I'm tired of settling for mediocrity.
Posted on 2/27/14 at 3:12 pm to Ghostfacedistiller
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I don't agree that parks and library's are "Crap." I was against the one downtown bc it didn't make sense, but again, IMO parks and libraries enhance quality of life and make a place livable. Access to books and information IMO is important. Playgrounds for kids and areas to exercise are helpful. Can they be abused? Sure. But I don't want to live in a world you imagine.
It is great that you want these things. Why make me pay for it via taxes? That is the unfair part. Only those that use it should have to pay for it. High quality of life for me is the least amount of government intrusion into my life and the least amount of money taken from my pocket. Your idea of quality of life costs me money. My idea does not cost you anything because you would only pay for what you use.
Posted on 2/27/14 at 3:14 pm to SuperflyLSU
Russian I know you've been taking a lot of flack here, but I never saw you respond to me a few pages back.
You mentioned that you were "worried" that IBM may back out of their investment if St. George happens. That big companies worry about their investments.
You've always come off as a somewhat factual, grounded guy. But can you provide me some evidence that would make you believe IBM is even close to being worried about this issue to the point where they'd re-evaluate because of it?
You mentioned that you were "worried" that IBM may back out of their investment if St. George happens. That big companies worry about their investments.
You've always come off as a somewhat factual, grounded guy. But can you provide me some evidence that would make you believe IBM is even close to being worried about this issue to the point where they'd re-evaluate because of it?
Posted on 2/27/14 at 3:27 pm to GFunk
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We are tired of getting fricked and our tax money being abused
I agree 100% that's why I signed the petition. Screw the BR city Council,school board, all the WASTE in city gov. Why should we pay 65% of the tax base to support that CRAP!!!
Posted on 2/27/14 at 3:28 pm to SuperflyLSU
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When is enough going to be enough? When do you finally dig your heels in and make a stand?
The very question I've been asking for some 50 years. When is enough going to be enough, and when do we stop doing the same dumb arse shite?
Dividing this place and thinking a street or imaginary line will keep us safe is a fools paradise, that has proven itself over and over to be a huge failure. The Florida Blvd line didn't work. Now what, I-12?
TRUTH SIR.......
There is one major advantage we have over the plague taking over this city, and that's MONEY. That is our WMD that if we want this city back tomorrow when we all wake up we can have it back shortly thereafter once we do just that.
A house divided though will not stand, and neither will this area, BR or the proposed St. George. It will eventually have it's own roof fall in upon itself and everyone rehashing the good old days when we lived in that neighborhood of BR or this neighborhood of St. George, back before the big nasty took it all over and people kept running.
Posted on 2/27/14 at 3:33 pm to Mike da Tigah
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Let's be honest... Do I want to live in the Garden District, Hundred Oaks, or Country Club with better community options nearby, or in a set of upper level homes that all look the same and will be outdated soon enough next to another big box store? Guess it depends on just how long I want to be there, or let's say how long it stays popular until the new fancy area pots up miles closer to P'Ville when the plaque begins encroaching and people start running for the hills again.
So you're saying that you'd rather live in the plague, than the area outside of the plague? It's funny you claim BR to be a great area, but as soon as SG breaks away, it becomes a plague. Then you state the BR plague will swallow SG?
Maybe, BR needs to get it's shite together, rather than antagonizing SG? But no, let's not look for solutions. Let's use scare tactics to avoid fixing the problems within BR and working together with the SG area.
It's not St. George's fault if BR becomes a plague. it's BR's fault.
Posted on 2/27/14 at 3:34 pm to Mike da Tigah
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A house divided though will not stand, and neither will this area, BR or the proposed St. George. It will eventually have it's own roof fall in upon itself and everyone rehashing the good old days when we lived in that neighborhood of BR or this neighborhood of St. George, back before the big nasty took it all over and people kept running.
Just like Prairieville, huh?
Posted on 2/27/14 at 3:45 pm to BugAC
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It's not St. George's fault if BR becomes a plague. it's BR's fault.
St. George, if it passes, and Baton Rouge are in a mutually assured death spiral, the likes of only a Great Wall, and checkpoints can even hope to stave off. The problems originated with those who make up the Proposed St. George as they are the ones who built it and profited off the quick and unconscious construction we know as BR and St. George. There is no difference in the two, and both will tank together.
You know why I know that St. George won't stand and fight for St. George, besides of course the fact that they haven't stopped running yet? It's because there's nothing to fight for. There is no LSU, Tiger Stadium, Urban Downtown, Mississippi River, or infrastructure or "Too Big to Lose" thing that would cause them to lay it on the line and invest money when it gets dated and ugly, which it will. There is even LESS reason to fight than ever before. That's why they will tuck tail and run, and quick when they're living next door to an enormous ghetto that can't support itself or fund it's own street maintenance, aging sewer maintenance, schools, etc, and that will be invading St. George quickly to escape the BR stink hole you waxed worse still.
This post was edited on 2/27/14 at 3:47 pm
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