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re: Anyone else’s priest read a statement from the Bishop of The Diocese of BR?

Posted on 12/15/25 at 2:58 pm to
Posted by Oilfieldbiology
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Posted on 12/15/25 at 2:58 pm to
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2. Even if (probably) legal and (probably) effective, it does seem to be a little bit distasteful for the "state" to be using people gathering at church as an opportunity to arrest/detain suspected illegal immigrants.


Agreed 100%

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In short, I'm not pro-illegal immigration. Laws must be enforced. I just feel there are probably more reasonable means of enforcing the laws than arresting people while attending church (if that is actually happening)

I don’t think this is happening, but rather checkpoints being setup on a public road after church where most are funneled through most likely.
Posted by Oilfieldbiology
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Posted on 12/15/25 at 2:59 pm to
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He does have legal permission to be here and has been working on the arduous process of naturalization for over a decade. As have many.


Then he wouldn’t be rounded up and deported.
Posted by WeeWee
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Posted on 12/15/25 at 3:00 pm to
History has shown that Catholicism is more concerned about using Jesus to control people than it is about using Jesus to save people. Which is what Emperor Constantine wanted.
Posted by Harry Caray
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Posted on 12/15/25 at 3:00 pm to
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Illegal entry and crossing of a border.

He was two. Would Jesus condemn the two year old brought across a border and separate him from his family thirty years later?
Posted by Harry Caray
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Posted on 12/15/25 at 3:01 pm to
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Then he wouldn’t be rounded up and deported.

Ideally. It's still a very legitimate fear for him and his wife/kids.
Posted by Chef Curry
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Posted on 12/15/25 at 3:02 pm to
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He was two. Would Jesus condemn the two year old brought across a border and separate him from his family thirty years later?


You’ve already said that your boyfriend has legal status, correct? Therefore, he’s not part of this discussion. But continue to signal your virtue anyway.
Posted by Havoc
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Posted on 12/15/25 at 3:02 pm to
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How would Jesus treat "illegals"? Very telling how some "Christians" are reacting to this.

Render unto Caesar that which is Caesar’s.
Posted by Harry Caray
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Posted on 12/15/25 at 3:03 pm to
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You’ve already said that your boyfriend has legal status, correct? Therefore, he’s not part of this discussion. But continue to signal your virtue anyway.

But he crossed the border as a two year old and should be held accountable, right?

And we're both married to women, sorry to let you down there.
Posted by Oilfieldbiology
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Posted on 12/15/25 at 3:03 pm to
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Pay to Caesar what belongs to Caesar, and to God what belongs to God


This means you obey the law of the land while on that land while also obeying the laws of God.

There are still rules we all must live by that have been agreed upon by communities through votes and enshrined into law. We should obey these, as should others trying to live here. Without that, we have anarchy.
Posted by Bourre
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Posted on 12/15/25 at 3:03 pm to
How many illegal aliens have you taken into your home and financially supported?
Posted by Harry Caray
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Posted on 12/15/25 at 3:05 pm to
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How many illegal aliens have you taken into your home and financially supported?

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The straw man fallacy is a logical error where someone misrepresents an opponent's argument by distorting, exaggerating, or oversimplifying it, creating a weaker "straw man" version that's easier to attack, rather than addressing the actual, more complex position. This makes the attacker seem to win the argument by refuting a caricature, but they've avoided the real issue, often done intentionally to discredit the opponent or due to misunderstanding.
Posted by bad93ex
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Posted on 12/15/25 at 3:05 pm to
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He was two. Would Jesus condemn the two year old brought across a border and separate him from his family thirty years later?



Love the emotional appeal arguments
Posted by Harry Caray
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Posted on 12/15/25 at 3:06 pm to
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Love the emotional appeal arguments

I'm asking how Jesus would treat the situation the Church is currently handling. It's on topic, try to keep up.
Posted by Missouri Waltz
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Posted on 12/15/25 at 3:06 pm to
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ICE rounding up people in Mass

When and where did this happen?
Posted by RidiculousHype
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Posted on 12/15/25 at 3:07 pm to
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Harry Caray

A lot of these things, to me, are like those "don't feed the animals" signs. People have good intentions but it creates a bigger unseen problem.

It may feel good to essentially erase a nation's borders, but it can cause a lot of pain down the road.

Just something to think about, because I do think you mean well.

Posted by bad93ex
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Posted on 12/15/25 at 3:08 pm to
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I'm asking how Jesus would treat the situation the Church is currently handling. It's on topic, try to keep up.



Romans 13:1, obey the law of the land. End of discussion
Posted by Cockopotamus
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Posted on 12/15/25 at 3:08 pm to
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Regardless, the Jesus as described in the Bible would not have generalized illegal immigrants as mass rapists, thieves, murderers, etc.,


You can deport illegal aliens without demonizing them.

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conversely would have offered help, guidance, and forgiveness on an individual by individual basis.


We are offering help, guidance, and forgiveness by returning them to their country of origin.
Posted by alphaandomega
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Posted on 12/15/25 at 3:08 pm to
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How would Jesus treat "illegals"?

Very telling how some "Christians" are reacting to this.


Mark 12:17 tells us "Render to Caesar the things that are Caesar’s, and to God the things that are God’s,"

Which means we are too follow the laws of man unless they contradict the laws of God.

Even with Gods laws their are boundaries and things in place to keep certain people out. Not everyone makes it into heaven. Why would anyone think that God wants everyone to let everyone into their home (or country) when he isnt going to let anyone who wants into heaven?
Posted by bad93ex
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Posted on 12/15/25 at 3:08 pm to
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A lot of these things, to me, are like those "don't feed the animals" signs. People have good intentions but it creates a bigger unseen problem.



Caving to illegal immigration is giving more money to the coyotes and cartels
Posted by Pettifogger
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Posted on 12/15/25 at 3:08 pm to
So much conflation in this thread.

The Christian shouldn't mistreat foreigners =/= Jesus forbids the government from enforcing the laws of the government

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