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re: Another day, another murderous cop let off the hook
Posted on 12/8/17 at 10:10 am to GeauxTigerTM
Posted on 12/8/17 at 10:10 am to GeauxTigerTM
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that's just how bad it is. Not even the regulars can defend that shite.
I just evaluate each of these cases individually instead of trying to see if it fits any narrative. If the civilian is in the wrong imo, I say so. And vice versa.
This one is pretty clear. Bad, bad shoot.
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Posted on 12/8/17 at 10:17 am to TbirdSpur2010
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I just evaluate each of these cases individually instead of trying to see if it fits any narrative. If the civilian is in the wrong imo, I say so. And vice versa.
I think that's the only way to reasonably consider any issue, right? Clearly, though, there are contingents on both sides who have made their minds up long before evidence ever comes to light.
Admittedly, I tend to side with the civilian...as they are in the position of weakness in nearly every case. I have a high expectation for LEO since they are given the level of authority they are.
This one though is simply indefensible. There was just nothing that poor drunk guy was ever going to do to get out of that hall alive. even if he had somehow magically been able to follow that indescribably difficult set of instructions, these clowns would had added more that were even more impossible to follow.
Posted on 12/8/17 at 10:18 am to TbirdSpur2010
I'm just trying to imagine being in that situation. I imagine you would be so scared and disoriented you would just want the situation to end. Please come cuff me, please don't kill me would all I would be thinking.
Posted on 12/8/17 at 10:19 am to ILeaveAtHalftime
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This attitude is why cops think they are above the law and can execute whoever they please.
Incomprehensibly retarded statements like this are why no one takes any of these situations seriously.
Cops have shown time and time again that they're above the law. They're given every benefit of the doubt in these cases. Since 2015, 2867 people have been fatally shot by the police. 199 of those were confirmed to be unarmed.
Guess how many police officers have been convicted of manslaughter or murder for on-job shootings between 2005-2015? 13. That's it.
Roughly 5 people killed by the police every 2 days, an unarmed person every 5 days or so, yet one police conviction every 10 months. Does that seem reasonable to you?
Posted on 12/8/17 at 10:25 am to GeauxTigerTM
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I think that's the only way to reasonably consider any issue, right? Clearly, though, there are contingents on both sides who have made their minds up long before evidence ever comes to light.
Agreed. That aggravates the hell out of me.
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Admittedly, I tend to side with the civilian...as they are in the position of weakness in nearly every case. I have a high expectation for LEO since they are given the level of authority they are.
I tend to side with the LEO. Most cases in my view involve civilians who behave recklessly or belligerentlu could easily defuse the situations with garden variety common sense. Cops get ambushed for being on the front lines every day (we just had another one get shot and killed in the line of duty here in the San Antonio area earlier this week. Dude had been on the force for 27 years, came in on his day off to help his team deliver a warrant, and the perp blew him away as soon as he stepped out the car. That's the shite that these guys deal with regularly, and if I were in their shoes, I would always err on the side of ensuring I see my family at night).
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This one though is simply indefensible. There was just nothing that poor drunk guy was ever going to do to get out of that hall alive. even if he had somehow magically been able to follow that indescribably difficult set of instructions, these clowns would had added more that were even more impossible to follow
Agree 100%
Posted on 12/8/17 at 10:25 am to OceanMan
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That's a fricking murder. My heart is racing. frick that pig.
I could only watch it once. That's about as tough a video as you'll see IMO.
Posted on 12/8/17 at 10:31 am to TbirdSpur2010
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That's the shite that these guys deal with regularly, and if I were in their shoes, I would always err on the side of ensuring I see my family at night).
We are lucky most fireman have not adopted this as a their standard.
Posted on 12/8/17 at 10:38 am to HeyHeyHogsAllTheWay
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This "procedure" resulted in someone being killed, doesn't seem to work very well.
Actually, the guy reaching behind his back after being warned NOT TO is what resulted in him getting killed.
This is the lack of critical thinking I was mentioning earlier.
The procedure/commands directly lead to that man's death. That's a fricking problem pal.
Posted on 12/8/17 at 10:39 am to slackster
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I could only watch it once. That's about as tough a video as you'll see IMO.
Same here, I wanted to see the end again but I'll never open that again.
This video should be used to train cops how not to act. He needs to be an example.
Posted on 12/8/17 at 10:39 am to EA6B
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We are lucky most fireman have not adopted this as a their standard.
Yeah. Because that's completely equivalent
Posted on 12/8/17 at 10:41 am to ShreveportHog94
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If heyheyhogsalltheway is truly in LE then we need go find his city and badge#. Bc any person who thinks the way he does is a true danger to society.
Yep, he's far too emotional for that job.
Posted on 12/8/17 at 10:43 am to slackster
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The procedure/commands directly lead to that man's death
bullshite. The blood loss led to his death.
-Hogsallthegay
Posted on 12/8/17 at 10:44 am to 6R12
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The officer may be a jerk but he was VERY CLEAR what not to do. The idiot reached in his back. I don't know about yall but I want to go home every night to my family and if I think that idiot is going to shoot me (which report was there was a gun pointing out of window) I'm going to shoot him before he kills me. This cop went home when he could've been shot. They are trained that way for a reason, bc every idiot thinks they don't have to listen. Don't point guns out of windows, listen to cops, you'll be fine. Sad day
The cop was fired for a reason - there was no threat there. If it had been a couple of street patrol cops, they likely would have gone up and cuffed him when he was laying on the ground.
Posted on 12/8/17 at 10:46 am to Masterag
This looks as bad as the walter scott shooting. Police work can be stressful but it isn't like serving in Iraq or Afghanistan. Jobs like truckers are a lot more dangerous but we don't forgive non LEO for murderous behavior.
There is a gray area in many shootings but none to speak of in this case or in the case of Walter Scott.
There is a gray area in many shootings but none to speak of in this case or in the case of Walter Scott.
Posted on 12/8/17 at 10:53 am to molsusports
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but it isn't like serving in Iraq or Afghanistan.
Even in Iraq and afghsnistan in a situation as shown in the video we would’ve detained him. Rarely did ROE allow us to kill someone point blank
Posted on 12/8/17 at 10:56 am to GeauxTigerTM
This one though is simply indefensible. There was just nothing that poor drunk guy was ever going to do to get out of that hall alive. even if he had somehow magically been able to follow that indescribably difficult set of instructions, these clowns would had added more that were even more impossible to follow.
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Yep.
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Yep.
Posted on 12/8/17 at 11:02 am to samson73103
quote:Is that the one where the cop told the dude to get his license, so he leaned into his truck to get his wallet and the cop flipped out and just started firing shots randomly?
but this shooting and the black guy in South Carolina who was shot in the back after a traffic stop are the most disturbing and in my estimation, not justifiable.
I'd say that one, and the one in the OP are about the 2 worst ones I've ever seen.
Here's the one I was thinking of, so absurd...though I think that cop is in jail now?
LINK
Posted on 12/8/17 at 11:05 am to IceTiger
quote:He was in that position, then the cops told him to do weird shite and they'd shoot him if he didn't for some weird reason.
until it deescalates, people should lay flat, don't move a twitch, hands on head...
Posted on 12/8/17 at 11:06 am to shel311
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Is that the one where the cop told the dude to get his license, so he leaned into his truck to get his wallet and the cop flipped out and just started firing shots randomly?
I'd say that one, and the one in the OP are about the 2 worst ones I've ever seen.
Here's the one I was thinking of, so absurd...though I think that cop is in jail now?
That guy was sentenced a few months ago.
12 years in prison, suspended to 5 years in prison plus 3 years probation.
Like the Walter Scott case, this was also a plea agreement. So it never went to a jury.
This post was edited on 12/8/17 at 11:08 am
Posted on 12/8/17 at 11:08 am to lsuhunt555
quote:And this is why senseless shootings keep happening.
What the frick else would you expect this guy to say? I don't understand how this is allowed to be viable testimony. You don't honestly think the president of the officers union is not going to support his officer do you? If he didnt, the entire police force and all the union members could be deemed incompetent.
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