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Posted on 6/16/20 at 3:18 pm to Shaun176
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400,000 people in jail for drugs between local, Federal, and state. Many murders and other violent crimes are related to the illegal sale of drugs.
Yes, you'd have to consider which charges are dropped in order to receive a plea, or charges for which someone is actually convicted rather than merely being charged/arrested initially.
Edit: Why add the drug charge when you have someone for murder?
This post was edited on 6/16/20 at 3:19 pm
Posted on 6/16/20 at 3:20 pm to Joshjrn
You wanna talk??????
Seems like I know what’s going on and you don’t.
Seems like I know what’s going on and you don’t.
Posted on 6/16/20 at 3:20 pm to Saskwatch
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. I don't think the majority believe we should legalize crack or meth
I want it all legalized. Tax the shite out of it and thin the herd legally in the process.
This post was edited on 6/16/20 at 3:21 pm
Posted on 6/16/20 at 3:21 pm to dukke v
quote:
You wanna talk??????
Seems like I know what’s going on and you don’t.
I'm not sure. Anyone who uses that many question marks in succession must be force to be reckoned with.
Posted on 6/16/20 at 3:22 pm to RTRinTampa
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Tax the shite out of it
Tax the shite out of it and most people stay in the black market, just like what has happened with marijuana.
Posted on 6/16/20 at 3:22 pm to Joshjrn
In terms of raw numbers
1. Third highest population.
2. Highest population kills offenders with no problem.
3. 2nd highest population can't afford to lock people up.
In terms of rate.
1. War on drugs
2. We criminalize victimless crimes.
Posted on 6/16/20 at 3:23 pm to RTRinTampa
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I want it all legalized. Tax the shite out of it
taxing the shite out of it defeats the entire premise of legalizing it
Posted on 6/16/20 at 3:23 pm to lsupride87
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My second statement still holds true
This was your second statement after the bad math
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So, that clearly seems to be a false narrative at this point
1 in 6 people incarcerated are there for a non violent, victimless crime. You seem to be ok with that bullshite. Any clue if the other 5 of 6 people had their life needlessly ruined by a prior drug conviction? Bad policy leads to bad results. Clearly you're choosing to still put your head in the sand.
This post was edited on 6/16/20 at 3:24 pm
Posted on 6/16/20 at 3:24 pm to Joshjrn
to take a guess at the OP's question, I would think the answer is the length of sentences
we keep people in jail far longer than most other countries
we keep people in jail far longer than most other countries
Posted on 6/16/20 at 3:25 pm to MoarKilometers
quote:And?
So, that clearly seems to be a false narrative at this point
quote:I am simply pointing out if you remove all drug incarcerations, we are still 2nd in the world for incarceration rate (and we are still double the rate of the 3rd country). So, I think "war on drugs"is a false narrative on why we have such a high incarceration rate
1 in 6 people incarcerated is there for a non violent, victimless crime. You seem to be ok with that bullshite. Any clue if the other 5 of 6 people had their life needlessly ruined by a prior drug conviction. Bad policy leads to bad results. Clearly you're choosing to still put your head in the sand.
Only one burying their head is you
This post was edited on 6/16/20 at 3:26 pm
Posted on 6/16/20 at 3:26 pm to lsupride87
quote:
am simply pointing out if you remove all drug incarcerations, we are still 2nd in the world for incarceration rate (and we are still double the rate of the 3rd country). So, I think "war on drugs"is a false narrative on why we have such a high incarceration rate
Only one burying their head is you
I just have a hard time believing that the WoD makes any of us safer.
Posted on 6/16/20 at 3:26 pm to Salmon
quote:Bingo
we keep people in jail far longer than most other countries
Posted on 6/16/20 at 3:26 pm to Joshjrn
Lyndon B. Johnson
Posted on 6/16/20 at 3:27 pm to lsupride87
quote:It's not a false narrative when it's a majorly contributing factor.
So, I think "war on drugs"is a false narrative on why we have such a high incarceration rate
Posted on 6/16/20 at 3:27 pm to Salmon
quote:
to take a guess at the OP's question, I would think the answer is the length of sentences
we keep people in jail far longer than most other countries
And to be clear, I didn't intend this thread to change anyone's mind, or even really to present my opinion. For example, plenty of people don't actually believe our incarceration rate is a problem that needs fixing. Now, I disagree with them, but I wasn't looking for that fight today. I was genuinely curious what individuals believed to be an explanation for the status quo we find ourselves in, whether they believed it was a problem or not, whether or not solutions would be worth the cost, etc.
Posted on 6/16/20 at 3:28 pm to NYNolaguy1
quote:I think its awful, and I am all for making drugs legal
I just have a hard time believing that the WoD makes any of us safer.
Posted on 6/16/20 at 3:28 pm to lsupride87
quote:
I am simply pointing out if you remove all drug incarcerations, we are still 2nd in the world for incarceration rate (and we are still double the rate of the 3rd country). So, I think "war on drugs"is a false narrative on why we have such a high incarceration rate
I'm far more interested in our incarceration rate per capita than I am our total prison population. There just aren't enough countries close to our population size to warrant reasonable comparison.
Posted on 6/16/20 at 3:30 pm to northshorebamaman
quote:Its a small piece that when compeltely removed doesnt change the fact america has an extremely high incarceration rate. So it doesnt make sense to say "drugs" as why our rate is so high
It's not a false narrative when it's a majorly contributing factor.
Salmon hit the nail on the head in terms of length of punishment across the board for all crimes
Posted on 6/16/20 at 3:30 pm to 4LSU2
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Absence of fathers in the homes.
That was the result of the democratic led welfare state. Two parent household numbers plummeted, crime went up dramatically, and education went to the dumps. A democratic racist signed off on it.
This post was edited on 6/16/20 at 3:32 pm
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