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Posted on 7/6/16 at 1:12 pm to shel311
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The question was did the video show it. The answer is no, it did not.
But that doesnt mean he didnt reach for it. What you should say is that:
I believe the video does not confirm or deny that he reached for a gun.
Posted on 7/6/16 at 1:12 pm to More beer please
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Ok cowboy you go wrestle a gun away from a guy thats bigger than you and see how that works out for ya.
Jesus fricking christ. I'm not saying I'd do it.
Posted on 7/6/16 at 1:12 pm to More beer please
quote:Holy shite, please quote the line literally right above the one you quoted.
But that doesnt mean he didnt reach for it
Posted on 7/6/16 at 1:15 pm to shel311
Okay I think we're agreeing that you can't see his hands in the video and there's no way to tell if he was or wasn't going for a weapon. Anyone who says otherwise has an agenda.
Posted on 7/6/16 at 1:16 pm to RB10
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Not what I'm asking. I'm asking whether he thinks it's a bad thing if cops believe they can resolve a situation without gunfire and try to do so.
That's a good thing. But in a situation where a perp is armed and the cop willingly gets into a physical altercation with him.. there is nothing to hold an officer accountable for his actions.
I shove you. You tackle me. I shoot you dead. I walk free because I feared for my life.
If people can't see the problem with that then idk what to say
Posted on 7/6/16 at 1:16 pm to shel311
Thats not the point.
When you say the video does not show him reaching for the gun, that can be easily misconstrued to mean he in fact did not actually reach for the gun.
When you say the video does not show him reaching for the gun, that can be easily misconstrued to mean he in fact did not actually reach for the gun.
Posted on 7/6/16 at 1:16 pm to TitleistProV1X
quote:Right.
Okay I think we're agreeing that you can't see his hands in the video and there's no way to tell if he was or wasn't going for a weapon. Anyone who says otherwise has an agenda.
IF the question is did the video show him go go for a gun, the answer is no. That doesn't equate to he did not go for a gun, it means the video does not show it, that's all. nothing more and nothing less.
Posted on 7/6/16 at 1:16 pm to RB10
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If this were the case no cops would be questioned when they discharged their weapons in a situation where they were informed that the suspect had a gun.
The fact is, cops are expected to put their lives second unless they are clearly attacked first. At least by the general public.
This is exactly correct, if you choose to be the police for a living, you must know there are times when your life will be secondary to the general public at large.
Posted on 7/6/16 at 1:17 pm to More beer please
quote:Then ask a better question or for clarification. My answer was correct, fwiw.
Thats not the point. When you say the video does not show him reaching for the gun, that can be easily misconstrued to mean he in fact did not actually reach for the gun.
Posted on 7/6/16 at 1:18 pm to TitleistProV1X
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Okay I think we're agreeing that you can't see his hands in the video and there's no way to tell if he was or wasn't going for a weapon. Anyone who says otherwise has an agenda.
He could have been reaching for tic tacs. The thing is the cops arrived under the assumption he had a gun. He then resisted arrest, and a tasering. From that point, even looking like you may be reaching for your pocket is probably going to get you shot. In this guys case it got him tackled and then shot.
Posted on 7/6/16 at 1:18 pm to FreddieMac
quote:Can someone confirm this?
This is exactly correct, if you choose to be the police for a living, you must know there are times when your life will be secondary to the general public at large.
When you become a cop, part of the policy is that you should put a perp's safety/life as a higher priority than your own?
I have a tough time believing that.
Posted on 7/6/16 at 1:19 pm to shel311
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If a white cop shoots a black guy, the circumstances almost do not matter, it will be a thing.
if the exact same scenario occurs, except the cop is black and the guy is white, no one cares.
because white people don't stand up for white trash. that's never been a thing.
Posted on 7/6/16 at 1:19 pm to shel311
the cop's voice goes up right before shots are fired:
"HE'S GOT A GUN!"
in a less cynical world, that would be enough of a spur-of-the-moment reaction that nobody would doubt the fact the bad guy was going for a weapon.
of course, the victim is black so i'm sure the cops orchestrated that fake 'he's got a gun' so they could murder him.
VERY WELL DONE FLOP BY THE COPS
they should win an oscar.
y'all should be ashamed for buying into any conspiracy here.
"HE'S GOT A GUN!"
in a less cynical world, that would be enough of a spur-of-the-moment reaction that nobody would doubt the fact the bad guy was going for a weapon.
of course, the victim is black so i'm sure the cops orchestrated that fake 'he's got a gun' so they could murder him.
VERY WELL DONE FLOP BY THE COPS
they should win an oscar. y'all should be ashamed for buying into any conspiracy here.
This post was edited on 7/6/16 at 1:21 pm
Posted on 7/6/16 at 1:20 pm to bmy
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That's a good thing. But in a situation where a perp is armed and the cop willingly gets into a physical altercation with him.. t
I'm gonna go out on a limb and say commands, then tasing before it ever got physical say that's a stretch. Lets see if my pal Maury can decipher the validity of your proposed narrative.
This post was edited on 7/6/16 at 1:21 pm
Posted on 7/6/16 at 1:20 pm to CAD703X
quote:What conspiracy did I buy into, exactly?
y'all should be ashamed for buying into any conspiracy here.
Posted on 7/6/16 at 1:21 pm to bmy
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I shove you. You tackle me. I shoot you dead. I walk free because I feared for my life.
If people can't see the problem with that then idk what to say
You have no reason to think I have a gun, unless I pull it out. If I do, you killing me is self defense. If I don't, it's murder.
That's actually a huge difference considering the cops were fully aware the suspect likely had a weapon.
Posted on 7/6/16 at 1:21 pm to shel311
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What conspiracy did I buy into, exactly?
anyone who thinks the cops murdered him for the hell of it #BLM
Posted on 7/6/16 at 1:21 pm to CAD703X
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in a less cynical world, that would be enough of a spur-of-the-moment reaction that nobody would doubt the fact the perp had his hands on a gun.
when they first noticed the gun, I do not think the guy had his hand on it, the cop probably just saw it in his pocket
the other cop then told him not to go for it, then the other cop yelled "HE IS GOING FOR IT!" then shots
I don't know how 2 cops couldn't have secured his hands away from the gun and disarmed him, but I wasn't there and I'm sure the cops were panicing a bit.
Posted on 7/6/16 at 1:23 pm to shel311
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When you become a cop, part of the policy is that you should put a perp's safety/life as a higher priority than your own?
No one has said it's official policy. It is, however, the perception of the public, which is what I'm saying.
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