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re: Alton Sterling shooting - discussion thread
Posted on 7/6/16 at 1:37 pm to RB10
Posted on 7/6/16 at 1:37 pm to RB10
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He could have been reaching for tic tacs. The thing is the cops arrived under the assumption he had a gun. He then resisted arrest, and a tasering. From that point, even looking like you may be reaching for your pocket is probably going to get you shot. In this guys case it got him tackled and then shot.
Exactly. My concern is that tackling him left very little room for error. Once he's on the ground and you're in a physical altercation, you have no time to discern what he's trying to do, so it is very easy to fear for your life once a weapon is visible. If you draw your weapon while he is standing up and you're standing up, it should/would be more obvious what his intentions are with the weapon that you assume he has but cannot see.
I could be completely wrong, but that logic seems pretty sound to me.
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Posted on 7/6/16 at 1:37 pm to Asgard Device
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So my post asking how likely it was that both body cams fell of is, was deleted.
Anyone? The cover up of evidence is a bigger deal to me. If they destroyed evidence then that should be your #1 complaint.
The execution itself was in enough gray area for them to get off. It was admittedly a dangerous situation. Focus on the go pros, SJW's.
The cameras are attached to the uniforms not welded to a metal pole like a basketball goal. When you fight with a 300 lb criminal it becomes dislodged easily. Focus on the criminal's actions that led to his death, SJW's.
This post was edited on 7/6/16 at 1:38 pm
Posted on 7/6/16 at 1:37 pm to slackster
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Well it isn't an either/or scenario. The route they took led to deadly force, so arguing that drawing their guns while he is standing there could lead to deadly force isn't really a counterpoint. Drawing their guns to force compliance doesn't mean they had to be used, just as tackling him doesn't mean deadly force had to be used.
I'm asking one simple question:
Do you want a cop's first reaction to be pulling their weapon every time it's determined there's a threat?
If not, you shouldn't be questioning them trying to tackle this guy in regards to what I'm saying. They were under the assumption he had a weapon, but it hadn't been produced yet. It was obviously determined that taking him to the ground by force was viable, so they tried it.
ETA: I'm not saying it was their best course of action. I'm just saying it's good to know there are cops who don't pull their guns every chance they get. Just want to clarify that.
This post was edited on 7/6/16 at 1:39 pm
Posted on 7/6/16 at 1:38 pm to LNCHBOX
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Because there's a whole thread about it, like I told you.
Where? Link??
This post was edited on 7/6/16 at 1:39 pm
Posted on 7/6/16 at 1:38 pm to Salmon
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I don't know how 2 cops couldn't have secured his hands away from the gun and disarmed him, but I wasn't there and I'm sure the cops were panicing a bit.
As I stated before. This guy was 300 lbs. Imagine the size of his arms. Getting a grip on a sweaty arm of an actively resisting 300lb man is no easy task. Also, a person has much more strength when their arm is close by their side compared to extended away from their body.
So we have a cop trying to hold a likely sweaty, large diameter arm that is hard to grip. It takes one second, one slip, one lost grip and this guys hand now holds a gun. It is not as easy and controllable situation like you think. Ive been there. Ive held an arm down with two hands and not been able to let one hand go to grab cuffs because my grip was not enough. I don't know how else to explain this so people can understand. If you have the opportunity lay on your back with your arm by your side and have someone 100lbs lighter get on top of you and try to stop you from putting that hand in your pocket
Posted on 7/6/16 at 1:38 pm to CAD703X
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anyone who thinks the cops murdered him for the hell of it #BLM
No real response in the last 40 pages has suggested that FWIW.
Posted on 7/6/16 at 1:39 pm to Asgard Device
I'm not helping you anymore. It was the third post in your deleted thread, you had ample time to see it. Or maybe you could go back all the way to the next page of the OT and find it yourself. If you actually cared, but I don't think you're interested in the truth. You're just interested in your unfounded bullshite.
This post was edited on 7/6/16 at 1:42 pm
Posted on 7/6/16 at 1:40 pm to RB10
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You have no reason to think I have a gun, unless I pull it out. If I do, you killing me is self defense. If I don't, it's murder
Actually it doesn't matter. See Trayvon Martin.
Posted on 7/6/16 at 1:41 pm to 91TIGER
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The cameras are attached to the uniforms not welded to a metal pole like a basketball goal. When you fight with a 300 lb criminal it becomes dislodged easily.
I never saw them fall off in the video on Twitter. Also even the consumer grade mounts are pretty sturdy.
Posted on 7/6/16 at 1:41 pm to LNCHBOX
Freaking democrats
This post was edited on 7/6/16 at 1:42 pm
Posted on 7/6/16 at 1:41 pm to FelicianaTigerfan
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If you have the opportunity lay on your back with your arm by your side and have someone 100lbs lighter get on top of you and try to stop you from putting that hand in your pocket
well it was 2 people
but I understand
Posted on 7/6/16 at 1:43 pm to Salmon
quote:It looked like his right arm was under the car, which made it much harder for them to secure it.
I know they were, just seems like cops should be better at securing people, especially when there are 2 of them and they are on top of the guy
Posted on 7/6/16 at 1:43 pm to Salmon
One trying to control his lower body and get him turned. The other trying to restrain his arms. Guy with the arms wasn't having much success.
Posted on 7/6/16 at 1:44 pm to Salmon
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well it was 2 people
2 people trained to detain people.
You can think sterling was in the wrong but still think cops went overboard by shooting him 6 times.
Posted on 7/6/16 at 1:44 pm to ell_13
Finally a fricking sticky.
Only took 24 hrs
Only took 24 hrs
Posted on 7/6/16 at 1:44 pm to bmy
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Actually it doesn't matter. See Trayvon Martin.
You said you attack me, I strike you back, you shoot me. Last time I checked, Martin (Me in this ridiculous attempt of youre) attacked Zimmerman (You) and not the other way around. Therefore, Zimmerman was not the original aggressor.
You don't attack someone and then get to claim killing them was self defense because they pushed or punched you. You're going to have to try harder to push your bullshite.
This post was edited on 7/6/16 at 1:47 pm
Posted on 7/6/16 at 1:45 pm to Salmon
I've said it for a long time on here when these white cop kills black guy stories pop up and I'll say it again: there needs to be policies across the country that when responding to a black individual doing whatever crime they're being accused of, the police department needs to make every attempt to put a black officer on it
Posted on 7/6/16 at 1:45 pm to slackster
Off topic, but do you have a damn job? Jesus Christ, you and Salmon have been arguing with people in this thread for the past 6 hours.
Posted on 7/6/16 at 1:46 pm to RB10
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I've personally seen a cop pull his weapon when it's completely unwarranted. These two did their best not to do so, and are still being condemned by people for doing what they felt was necessary, in the end. I just don't understand that at all
I don't think they're being condemned as much as people are asking a legitimate question about that particular tactic. If that is not what they're supposed to do in that situation, some of the blame will shift to them for escalating the situation. IF they reasonably believed he had a gun, which most people believe to be the case, then getting into a physical altercation with him where the officers were the aggressors, at least according to the video, seems to have been a poor decision.
Posted on 7/6/16 at 1:46 pm to Asgard Device
Ours are like this, not too hard to knock off in an altercation.
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